Couldn't read it. Paywall.
Nonetheless, anyone who reads WaPo will most likely be biased against Tesla.
Look how they posted the article on X:
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Tesla Unionization
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Couldn't read it. Paywall.
Nonetheless, anyone who reads WaPo will most likely be biased against Tesla.
Look how they posted the article on X:
Krugerrand
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Yes, look at all those people, throngs of them. 13 from Tesla alone! 20 now unemployed from Hydro standing with arms linked in solidarity. Way to take one for the team of tens of thousands.
So glad Tesla is being taken to task for daring to offer workers a choice and opportunity for greater rewards than the union otherwise provides. How dare they!
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
Yes, look at all those people, throngs of them. 13 from Tesla alone! 20 now unemployed from Hydro standing with arms linked in solidarity. Way to take one for the team of tens of thousands.
So glad Tesla is being taken to task for daring to offer workers a choice and opportunity for greater rewards than the union otherwise provides. How dare they!
You are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Wasn't it 13 from Tesla to begin with, but some of them went back to work, and subsequently got booted from the union?
This saga is so complex and the numbers of Tesla's strikers are dwindling. I do hope the remaining union strikers at Tesla Sweden aren't forced by mean old Tesla to go back to work and forfeit their union benefits in exchange for a preferred arrangement from Tesla.
Waiting patiently for IF Metall at some point to be down to a single Tesla union member employee remaining to justify the strike continuing. That is, if they manage to keep one planted member in the fold.
No. The 12-13 on strike are still on strike. Tesla would not allow them to come back to work for violation of employment contract/agreement. The ones that got booted or actually resigned their membership to IF Metall depending on the version you believe, never went on strike.
No one has lost his job at Hydro, but apparently that's too difficult to understand for some people.
Any objective criteria clearly show that the US has the crappiest working conditions in the Western world. No minimum holiday time, no paid maternity leave, the US is not only the only country in the Western world to lack those, paid maternity leave is even a standard in most developing countries. Most cases of private insolvency in the US are caused by medical bills, also basically unheard of anywhere else in the Western world.
These things weren't achieved by being all nice towards company owners.
Yet a couple of Musk fans try to convince people that bully boy, "pedo-guy" Musk somehow represents good news for employees in Europe.
You really have to live in a completely cuddled tech-industry bubble to believe that.
Any objective criteria clearly show that the US has the crappiest working conditions in the Western world. No minimum holiday time, no paid maternity leave, the US is not only the only country in the Western world to lack those, paid maternity leave is even a standard in most developing countries. Most cases of private insolvency in the US are caused by medical bills, also basically unheard of anywhere else in the Western world.
These things weren't achieved by being all nice towards company owners.
Yet a couple of Musk fans try to convince people that bully boy, "pedo-guy" Musk somehow represents good news for employees in Europe.
You really have to live in a completely cuddled tech-industry bubble to believe that.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
Thanks for clearing this up.
Though the facts discount my proposition, they aren't as humorous as contemplating the remaining Tesla strikers quitting the union.
What most amuses me is how IF Metall handles their highly polished narrative, carefully designed to avoid the several factual aspects which paints them as self-absorbed and foolish for taking on this warped strategy in the first place.
IF Metall seems to think they are David to Tesla being being their Goliath, when in fact, Tesla is the Tortoise and IF Metal is the Hare.
Pass the
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Where are you getting your information from? (I haven't heard anything about Telsa refusing to let strikers return to work, in fact we have reports that some have.)
Ok, where is your information from Tesla that refutes that? (Hint: it doesn't exist.)
Because Tesla has released very little information, just a couple of press releases/emails. And every reporter that interviews Tesla says that they won't say anything else and that they are just pointed to the existing releases.
Again, how do you know this is a fact:
You seem to be dancing around, calling question to the on-the-ground information, while not providing anything to back up your claims.
Sorry bud, this is not an answer to:
This is nothing against Niklas, btw.
So you believe a Tesla employee can just walk just walk off their job for(not sure the length, a week or more?) without an excused absence and come back and say "I'm sorry" and it's all good, right? Right?
So I'm required to support my claims but you don't have to?
No, but they didn't just walk off the job. They went on strike. Striking is a legally protected right in Sweden. Tesla retaliating against someone for striking would likely be illegal. Otherwise Tesla could just fire all of the strikers and IF Metall would no longer have a standing for the strike or their sympathy measures.
Here's my problem. And I'm no expert in Swedish law and neither are you, btw, but IF Metall doesn't have a CBA with Tesla in Sweden(Tesla doesn't anywhere else). I get the fact that strikes are legal in Sweden(and U.S.) but is it "legal" if the company you are striking against does not have a CBA?
IF Metall(and the Tesla Sweden employees) are striking FOR A CBA!
Remember that IF Metall is paying the Tesla strikers 130% of their pay.
Just because you are a member of IF Metall doesn't mean they can represent you if there is no CBA with your company or am I wrong here?
I know that's the case here in the U.S. but not certain about Sweden and I also believe that it's working it's way through the Swedish courts.
Yes, it is, at least in Sweden.
In Sweden it only takes one single employee, that is a union member, requesting assistance to get a CBA for the union to be able to declare a strike. It is very different in the US.
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Mod: cool down the tone of the discussion (if it can be called that). --ggr
If the strike was illegal Tesla would have filled a law suit to stop it...
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