It's hard to accept, but attitudes are changing. It's like paying to remove ads on an app. If you use it enough, it's not a big deal to pay a buck or two, in my opinion.
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Tesla Unveils The Model S 60 at $66K..... effects on the Model 3
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Yes a buck or two
... I would see 3000EUR as a fair deal. I get more distance, Tesla still very healthy margin.
ApauloThirteen
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Hmmmm if the m3 tax advantages (am in CA) are projected to go away depending on the m3/tesla production and your point in line, one might consider a 60 and get the tax credits for the 60. RWD, stripped but w/ supercharging standard. What a great 'problem' to have, that decision at a rapidly approaching date. Happy hunting to all.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Keep in mind that the real price after $10K of tax credits in CA is $56K and close to $50K with gas savings factored in
Tesla unveils new lower-priced Model S electric sedan
Top of the line model 3 less than $66K
JeffK
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N5329K
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Yes. I stopped by the local Tesla Store today with exactly these things in mind. Added in, or subtracted, is another $2500 from local government. It starts to get within shouting distance of a moderately-optioned M3.
But the S 60 is still too big on the outside, and still too mid-sized on the inside. The seats are a lot nicer than they used to be, though.
My Prius V spoiled me for smart interior space utilization.
Robin
That number always seemed a bit scammy to me. its based on a 20mpg car and the only variables you can change are the price of gas and the miles driven per year. You can't change the assumed MPG. And I don't think it includes how much you will pay for electricity instead of gas (a potentially significant cost in CA).
They should really not even include that number, ugh.
omgwtfbyobbq
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To me, an S getting 200+ miles EPA with only 60kWh lines right up with a 50+kWh 3 getting 215+ miles, and hopefully 300+ miles from the larger pack.
Yeah, that's pretty annoying. Granted, it's something anyone buying a $60k+ car should be able to throw together in a spreadsheet, but I would appreciate Tesla more if they had that as an option.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
As a Model S owner, all I can say is the estimated savings are real.
Here are the detailed assumptions that Tesla uses in the calculation.
Here are the detailed assumptions that Tesla uses in the calculation.
freeewilly
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Extreme smart move for Tesla, it's a win win situation.
Tesla needs to increase production, that includes parts and labor to prepare for M3, they're making 90k MS/X in a year now, but Tesla can't suddenly flip a switch and start making 500k in a year. Tesla needs to sell more cars today to position them to hire more labor and parts so they can be ready when M3 production starts.
Why a win for M3 reservation holders? Anyone buys a MS now will probably cancel the reservation for M3, bump everyone else up.
Tesla needs to increase production, that includes parts and labor to prepare for M3, they're making 90k MS/X in a year now, but Tesla can't suddenly flip a switch and start making 500k in a year. Tesla needs to sell more cars today to position them to hire more labor and parts so they can be ready when M3 production starts.
Why a win for M3 reservation holders? Anyone buys a MS now will probably cancel the reservation for M3, bump everyone else up.
Oh, I know the savings driving an EV are real. I did all the math when I bought my Volt and sold my IS250.
I just think the layout of the prices is a bit misleading that the top price (the one you look at first) is the one that has the gas savings subtracted out. You have to muddle around a bit when you first look at the page to figure out that the bottom price is the one you need to pay attention to (since that's the amount you will actually be paying Tesla).
Out of curiosity, I just did the math for my old Lexus IS. My gas savings with a Tesla would be about $3700 over 5 years accounting for electricity costs (I don't have solar). Still a good number, but still only half of the number they tout. I guess that is my other heartburn - that number is going to be so different for everyone that its a bit crazy to even include it the way they do. They could provide a calculator for your gas savings or something but not directly subtract it.
Bokonon
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Agreed. Anytime I want to mess around with the configurator, the first thing I always do is to set the cost of gas to $0.01/gal and miles/year to 1, which reduces the laughable "gas savings" calculation to $0.
I still cannot avoid the feeling that this is actually a price increase, if you want to get to the original 70D, which was around $70K including AWD... Now the price is $66k, for 60KWh and RWD. So to get to original configuration it is roughly something like $66k base price + $5k AWD +$9k upgrade to 75KWh battery pack... Is not this now $80k vs. $70k for 70D which only had 5KWh less? I guess the original 70D is no longer offered right? Maybe I am not seing this well, but I see this not as positive as others might...
I understood his comment more in the direction of "there can still be two different battery sizes for the model 3 as opposed to one size that is only software limited"
I don't think they can afford to do that since they are doing their best to keep costs as low as possible.
Only people who really lose are classic S60 owners that were looking to sell soon. 5-10k in resale value just got chopped overnight.
ModelNforNerd
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The gas savings calculator for me is a mixed bag.
On one hand, the car portion of my commute is now only 8 miles every day.
But my car is the non-dog car for weekend errands and getaways.
And it has to be > 91 Octane (I always stick with 93 or more...)
Will I save money with an EV? Absolutely.
Will it be as much as the "calculated savings" on Tesla's site? likely not.
On one hand, the car portion of my commute is now only 8 miles every day.
But my car is the non-dog car for weekend errands and getaways.
And it has to be > 91 Octane (I always stick with 93 or more...)
Will I save money with an EV? Absolutely.
Will it be as much as the "calculated savings" on Tesla's site? likely not.
ModelNforNerd
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Keep in mind also, the weight difference is even more pronounced now between an S60 and a Model 3 -??kWh
the S60 is getting 200+ EPA while carrying the software-locked 75kWh pack. Yes, I understand it's more efficient than the "old" S60, but if they can squeeze 200+ out of the heavier car, with a heavier pack in it....I'm excited to see what the Gen-3 batteries can do for us in the "max range" Model 3.
300 miles EPA seems to be within shouting distance now.
alseTrick
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You can get the 75kWh for $74,500 at purchase. I believe the 70kWh started at $71,500 with a $3,000 upgrade option at purchase to get the full 75kWh at $74,500. In BOTH scenarios, if you wanted a 75DkWh vehicle, you were going to have to pay the extra $5,000 not included in the base price. I don't think this changed anything in terms of pricing in that regard.
The reason why people are saying it's a positive move is because the current 60kWh is being offered at a similar price to the original 60kWh vehicle, except it's coming with supercharging, autopilot hardware, etc, that was NOT included in the original. I don't see how this is viewed any way other than good.
