-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
TSLA Investor Discussions
- Thread starter Fr23shjive
- Start date
-
- Tags
- investment market TSLA
- Status
Norbert
TSLA will win
The Q4 balance sheet is probably going to be the opposite of Q2... with everything between Q2 and Q4 being rather independent of any misinterpretations of Q2.
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
NigelM
Recovering Member
Q4 balance sheet will be a snapshot of how the entire year ends. Actually there is really no Q4 balance sheet, there will only be a 2012 balance sheet. Full year results will include H1 so will also reflect that performance.
If you mean that Q4 results could be the opposite of Q2 results, I agree.
Somewhere in this thread someone was explaining about options. WARNING: I could have the following all messed up: I think he was selling puts, with the notion that if the price dropped to X he'd want to buy shares. If the price fell, he'd get his shares at the price he wanted. If it didn't, he'd make a few bucks on the contract. I followed options prices for a bit, and did some research, and learned that it was all far too complicated for me. And the contracts are all in blocks of 100 shares, more than I wanted to mess with at a time (I own 200 altogether). And the brokerages won't even allow you to trade in options unless you convince them that you know what you're doing, which told me that they're probably even more complicated than I realized. I got my broker to send me a booklet about options. One glance was all it took to convince me that it was not for me. The person who was talking about them made it seem as though if you knew you wanted to buy shares at X price, you almost couldn't lose selling puts. But that just seemed too simplistic and I don't trust it.
I understand buying, selling, and limit orders. I'll stick with that.
But then, I'm not really a trader. I mostly own mutual funds, and except for occasional adjustments I just sit on what I have.
I really don't know anything about this, but my gut guess is that any time they state a target price, it's for the same 12 to 18 months out.
I know there are folks who bought shares of Tesla back when they put in their Model S reservation, intending to sell those shares (ideally for a profit, hoping for a big profit) to pay for the car. I presume the theory was that once the car was in production, the share price would shoot up. But this is essentially a medium-term speculation with a pre-determined must-sell time frame, in a very volatile stock. My own philosophy is that stocks and stock funds (in my case almost entirely funds) are long-term investments with no pre-determined sell time, and bond funds are for shorter-term money. When the market is good (if that ever happens again
) I can move money, if needed, from stocks to bonds, to be converted to cash when needed. The volatile nature of stocks, and especially of TSLA, means there is significant risk that it will be down at the moment you must sell shares to buy the car. I wish everyone the best, but I would not have chosen that strategy.I can certainly understand that advice for someone sitting on $90K worth of shares. With my piddling 200 shares, if it goes down I'll take my loss (I've lost far more on other bad investments, though I'm quite comfortable overall). Then I'll assess whether I think it's down due to a real likelihood of collapse, or because of market issues or unfounded public mistrust, and if it's the latter, at $10 I'd buy another 500 shares.
NigelM
Recovering Member
Not yet - I don't think. I've attached a diagram of a recent short squeeze that occured for sears holdings, Jan-Mar 2012.
@MileErlic
Attachments
Citizen-T
Active Member
Cramer has always hated TSLA, but from his comments on the company I have a hard time believing that he has much work on it. I remember watching the day he said not to buy into the IPO. Glad I had done enough work on the company to disagree with him.
I think he will come around. He loves Apple and loves companies that build stuff in America. I think a visit to Fremont would change his mind, not sure how to get him there though.
Citizen-T
Active Member
Don't look now, but we've broken above the 50-day and 200-day moving averages in one fell swoop. I think this move, coupled with our proximity to the Model S launch, means the sale on TSLA is now over. Hope you got your fill.
Now to figure out where to start raising cash again for the next sale. Gut says to hold on until $40 before selling anything, but that is a long way from here. Need to do some analysis.
Now to figure out where to start raising cash again for the next sale. Gut says to hold on until $40 before selling anything, but that is a long way from here. Need to do some analysis.
smorgasbord
Active Member
Large volume action is the criteria for a short squeeze. That said, price will usually lead volume - it's the rise in price that causes short sellers to "cover" (which simply means buying stock). The squeeze happens when more people want/need to cover than are willing to sell the stock. Supply and demand in brutal action.
Here's what I thought a pretty good article on Short Squeezes that helps you understand why people short stocks, and why and when they bail: PROFITING FROM THE “SHORT SQUEEZE”
A reasonable place to watch TSLA short action is: http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=tsla&submit=Short+Quote%99. To get more details requires spending $30/month, but even the free summary information is useful. Short interest has increased almost 4% in the last half month, but trading volume has increased more, reducing the "Days To Cover" number to 18.5 (I think it was mid 20's before).
Unlike Puts and Calls, shorts don't have a predetermined life span. If they borrowed to short the stock then they're paying some interest, but that's pretty minor.
Norbert
TSLA will win
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
AndyM
Member
Welcome!!
MikeB -
Any ideas about the story of the trailer? Does it have something to do with the Washington Square store?
The episode of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart where he tore Cramer apart is a classic. Showed him for what he really is which appears to me mostly show and little substance. He was recommending, like many others I guess, companies that went under in 2008 even right before they went under.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
