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TSLA Market Action: 2018 Investor Roundtable

Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by AudubonB, Dec 30, 2017.

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  1. AWDtsla

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    To understand this problem, perhaps try Trolley problem - Wikipedia
     
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    The KSA issue, if there's even substance to the rumor, is a true sophie's choice in my opinion. Either path -- that is, creating distance between KSA or not subsequent to Khashoggi's likely murder (let's call it what it is) -- is full of pitfalls. Ironically, could be yet another black swan event in a year already chock-full of them.
     
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    It's Saul Goodman!
     
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    Excellent season finale BTW...
     
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  5. Todd Burch

    Todd Burch Voltage makes me tingle.

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    Except the twist here is that somebody already flipped the switch and the trolly has already done its damage.

    Tesla's choice is to either
    • a) Point at the person that flipped the switch and say "I will not associate myself with that person", or
    • b) Take a bunch of that person's money to make the world better.
    To me (b) is the obvious choice. Its benefits are:
    • You make the world better.
    • You put money in Tesla's coffers to help make the world even bettererer.
    • You take money away from the bad guy and give it to the good guys.
    3 big wins in my book.
     
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  6. Todd Burch

    Todd Burch Voltage makes me tingle.

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    C'mon 260.
     
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    Mark Matousek is also looking for owner stories. I hope I helped legitimize Zach’s Pravduh tracker just a bit here :)
     
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    I say it is massive hypocrisy to call for a boycott of KSA while extolling the PRC for environmental leadership.
     
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    Lycanthrope S3XY old dude

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    And here I thought the trolley problem was all the trolls here and on twitter.
     
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    There is confusion about government subsidies. Some are to make it possible for people to do what would otherwise be impossible. Public housing and food stamps are an example. Most government susidies and tax breaks are to shape behavior. It is not so much that the government wants to help anyone buy an EV, the government thinks that more EVs on the road serve a public good. The tax credit is there to shape behavior, not to save you money.
     
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    #47853 RobStark, Oct 12, 2018
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    You believe China's Communist Party statistics?

    One country has due process the other does not.

    On sends people to re education camps for being of a particular religion without any trial at all the other does not.

    Mod: I know you didn't start this, but please continue only on the Market Politics thread.
     
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    Not as hard as it should have been - looks to me like there was quite some tactical sales and capping in the final hour.

    Of course it might just be market forces and I'm unjustly paranoid...
     
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    If a deal does exist we could just keep it on the DL for a while... no need to rush it. Maybe postpone it or roll it out in a softer way.
    As sad as this murder is (if it's true)... nearly every country has blood on their hands. Certainly the US is no exception. We have to move forward regardless.
     
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    I wish we could offer both a like and disagree, or a disagree and don't like.
    I agree with you, but don't like it.
     
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    Even CNBC said of his recent Starbucks position "I don't know why we still cover his activities, his record is pretty bad"
    Then again, they give Mark Speagel plenty of coverage without applying the same standards. :D
     
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    I personally agree with you, but this is a utilitarian point of view, and people tend to be (incoherently) ethically kantian ;-)
    Joking aside, in these hours and day Saudi Arabia is becoming toxic, people ar withdrowing deals and conferences, so timing is not on our side.

    This could be still played well by Tesla, with a good message to explain why continue the deal: unfortunately we're not that good with PR...
     
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