UK FSD Discussion

[Pink Duck]

Announced yes, but where’s the final bill to be seen? Hasn’t stopped all the papers going on a future outburst about it of course.

Plus still very much hangs upons the wording chosen by the UN GRVA by ~2026. Interesting that a timescale of 1–2 years was given for the authorising body to reach the point of its first permitted self-driving operator licence.

 

[Utumno]

Long story short, nothing to see here until 2026 at the very earliest.

 

[FastLaneJB]

Announced yes, but where’s the final bill to be seen? Hasn’t stopped all the papers going on a future outburst about it of course.

Plus still very much hangs upons the wording chosen by the UN GRVA by ~2026. Interesting that a timescale of 1–2 years was given for the authorising body to reach the point of its first permitted self-driving operator licence.

Yeah sadly while this is making some progress, you know its still a distant future item. UN changes in 2026, some company to be ready to submit for approval, 2 year no doubt approval process.

Still feels like a close to 2030 kind of deal when trying to be realistic about this. Should just arrive around the same time they start using teleporters in the US rendering the car obsolete...

 

[Utumno]

Yeah sadly while this is making some progress, you know its still a distant future item. UN changes in 2026, some company to be ready to submit for approval, 2 year no doubt approval process.

Still feels like a close to 2030 kind of deal when trying to be realistic about this. Should just arrive around the same time they start using teleporters in the US rendering the car obsolete...

Yeah matter transporters are where I get all Bones McCoy about technology. I’ll keep my atoms where I can see them, thanks.

 

[asl3312]

Tesla whistleblower report that MiC cars are missing vital chip needed for FSD [Tesla Files #2] Tesla Sold 1.2 Million Cars Without a Key FSD Chip Since Q4 2021

 

[JIBYC]

Tesla whistleblower report that MiC cars are missing vital chip needed for FSD [Tesla Files #2] Tesla Sold 1.2 Million Cars Without a Key FSD Chip Since Q4 2021

Yeah I noticed that at the time. During COVID they removed the redundancy sensor from the steering rack to improve production throughput.

Does this mean my 2019 model is worth £50k again? No, it means that if absolutely necessary they'll retrofit those with FSD .

 

[Bouba]

Tesla whistleblower report that MiC cars are missing vital chip needed for FSD [Tesla Files #2] Tesla Sold 1.2 Million Cars Without a Key FSD Chip Since Q4 2021

Yeah I noticed that at the time. During COVID they removed the redundancy sensor from the steering rack to improve production throughput.

Does this mean my 2019 model is worth £50k again? No, it means that if absolutely necessary they'll retrofit those with FSD .

Is there a way to find out if your individual car is affected ?

 

[MP3Mike]

Tesla whistleblower report that MiC cars are missing vital chip needed for FSD [Tesla Files #2] Tesla Sold 1.2 Million Cars Without a Key FSD Chip Since Q4 2021

The article makes a lot of assumptions. Like it would require the chip to go to Level 3, but FSD is not sold as a Level 3 product. (It is Level 2, so I don't think there is a requirement for redundancy.)

Also, in estimating the costs to "remediate" the issue they quote the cost of replacing the entire steering rack, when it is likely Tesla could just replace the control board/ECU on the existing racks at a much lower expense.

 

[FastLaneJB]

Yeah matter transporters are where I get all Bones McCoy about technology. I’ll keep my atoms where I can see them, thanks.

You mean you wouldn’t use a Tesla Matter Transporter Beta?

 

[WllXM]

The article makes a lot of assumptions. Like it would require the chip to go to Level 3, but FSD is not sold as a Level 3 product. (It is Level 2, so I don't think there is a requirement for redundancy.)

Also, in estimating the costs to "remediate" the issue they quote the cost of replacing the entire steering rack, when it is likely Tesla could just replace the control board/ECU on the existing racks at a much lower expense.

Explained in detail in the article though:

this “backup” chip, which is said to be indispensable in the “legal requirements for Level 3 and 4 autonomy”. Tesla began removing the extra chip from its steering rack in November 2021 and the last time one could confirm whether Tesla was still doing this was in March 2023. Given a 7.1% FSD take rate during that period, at least 145,080 vehicles were sold without the extra chip needed to eventually have Level 3 or 4 autonomy.

To fix this would cost Tesla around $2,380 as the entire steering rack would have to be replaced (the chips are glued into the rack). This would amount to around $345 million* in recall costs. If Tesla actually achieved Level 3 or 4 autonomy and all models sold during this “chip-removal” period needed a fix, the recall bill would be $1.3 billion. The class-action lawsuits in the US alone could eclipse that amount.

 

[FastLaneJB]

Yeah I noticed that at the time. During COVID they removed the redundancy sensor from the steering rack to improve production throughput.

Does this mean my 2019 model is worth £50k again? No, it means that if absolutely necessary they'll retrofit those with FSD .

They’ll never retro fit them because as the article says it’s required for level 3, FSD Supervised is level 2 where it’s going to stay. Especially for cars without the required hardware.

 

[Utumno]

You mean you wouldn’t use a Tesla Matter Transporter Beta?

Not even if branded as “Supervised”

 

[JupiterMan]

Announced yes, but where’s the final bill to be seen? Hasn’t stopped all the papers going on a future outburst about it of course.

The Automated Vehicles Act 2024 has now been published.

You can view it here.

 

[Pink Duck]

And so: “99 Commencement and transitional provision - (1) The preceding Parts come into force on a day appointed by regulations made by the Secretary of State.” the wait goes on, since there may well be a new Secretary of State after 4th July.

 

[Bouba]

And suddenly this most important of legislation becomes the least important

 

[FastLaneJB]

And so: “99 Commencement and transitional provision - (1) The preceding Parts come into force on a day appointed by regulations made by the Secretary of State.” the wait goes on, since there may well be a new Secretary of State after 4th July.

Frankly that seems likely. I’m sticking with my 2030 date though as I’d factored in all these issues.

 

[Bouba]

Because of the sudden call for a General Election, Parliament is rushing through legislation.....anyone know if there is movement on the Self Driving legislation ?

 

[FastLaneJB]

Because of the sudden call for a General Election, Parliament is rushing through legislation.....anyone know if there is movement on the Self Driving legislation ?

I believe if they don't either pass it or pass a bill to retain it, the legislation comes to an end and is no more. A lovely system.

 

[Tony Hoyle]

During washup only bills with all party support are considered, because there isn't time for debate. All the others are ditched. A new government may restart the process (but is unlikely to for bills originally proposed by their opponents).

 

[FastLaneJB]

During washup only bills with all party support are considered, because there isn't time for debate. All the others are ditched. A new government may restart the process (but is unlikely to for bills originally proposed by their opponents).

Not really been following this. Are self driving cars supported by all parties or actually they are a right wing idea?