Upgrade to FSD $4,000

[focher]

I also think HW2.5 is over taxed and is a safety issue for those in and outside of the car. I'd like to see the feds declare it a life and death safety issue and require a recall for HW3. I'd be willing to pay the $1,300 for the hardware.

When you write sentences like that, you have two choices. One is to back it up with evidence or alternatively be considered nonsensical.

It's also hilarious every time I see someone declare what they are willing to pay for something as if that's the only acceptable price. You've been watching too much Life of Brian. This isn't a scenario where you are "supposed to haggle".

 

[ElectricIAC]

When you write sentences like that, you have two choices. One is to back it up with evidence or alternatively be considered nonsensical.

It's also hilarious every time I see someone declare what they are willing to pay for something as if that's the only acceptable price. You've been watching too much Life of Brian. This isn't a scenario where you are "supposed to haggle".

Every time is a good time to haggle. Even if the only haggle is on the interest rate or mentally on how much you feel comfortable with as a down payment.

 

[Knightshade]

I'm calling Tesla's bluff on jacking the FSD price again. I don't think they will do it. FSD isn't even ready if you do pay full price.

Many said the same when they said they were gonna raise it when enhanced summon came out... "No way they're gonna jack up the price $1000 just because the car goes 3 mph by itself in a parking lot!"

And yet... that's exactly what they did.

 

[rdskill]

When you write sentences like that, you have two choices. One is to back it up with evidence or alternatively be considered nonsensical.

It's also hilarious every time I see someone declare what they are willing to pay for something as if that's the only acceptable price. You've been watching too much Life of Brian. This isn't a scenario where you are "supposed to haggle".

I can only say what I would be willing to spend based on the factors that I find meaningful. Your will be different. I am fine with that. Sorry, don't know who this Brian is.

If you have 2.5 you will have noticed all the visualization they are no longer displaying. Bicycles/pedestrians 3 feet from me are no longer displayed. Car breaking after a car turning left in front of it.These are all indications of an lagging system. cutting the data being processed and no longer passing it to the graphics display are ways to aid a lagging system.

Elon stated months ago that HW2.5 was running at 85% while HW3 was running at 5% (pretty sure it was this low, but i would like to check it. I think it was a tweet). Which version do you want when your wife or kid is driving a car with autopilot?

It doesn't matter who's system it is. It needs to be capable of processing the data for all the cameras and sensors. And it needs to do what the manufacture states when we purchased our cars (basic AP).

The feds are going to have to figure out a way to qualify a system as being as safe as the manufactures say. Heck.. back in the 70's I heard Lee Iacocca call seatbelts a gimick on a interview in Los Angeles. He's got smarter of course. Lots of kids in high school died in accidents that happened at less than 25 mph and of course faster. Now you can walk away from someone slamming into head-on to a car at high speed.

i could care less what you or others think of what I write here. but don't kid yourself... the hardware matters in a big way and we are all guinea pigs and more will pay with their lives until this is all figured out and the hardware gets to where it needs to be, more like HW5.

I think the member named Buttershrimp, who is happy to have purchased FSD back in Aug 2018, said it best.....

I sincerely don't regret the FSD purchase for a second .... If they can nail some meaningful FSD items in the next 2 years, I'd be satisfied.

I never considered using my car to shuttle people to the airport.... BUT I do expect that 30 years from now I will summon my vintage S to meet me at the airport with a bag full of fresh Depends Adult Diapers and a bottle of Viagra as I enter my Golden years. Best thing is that my ex machina/erotic robot will be able to change my diapers and carry my luggage through security without slowing me down....

AP 3.0: Upgrade from AP 2.0/2.5.​

Wishing all of us, and our families, to be safe and alert as we make history bringing electric cars into the mainstream.

 

[JBT66]

Bluff or not we’ll never know now. COVID is causing all sorts of business and people to change their plans.

I'm calling Tesla's bluff on jacking the FSD price again. I don't think they will do it. FSD isn't even ready if you do pay full price.

I had no plans on paying $7000, and I certainly won't pay more for the same thing that isn't even ready yet. I'm happy with Base AP, but I would like turn signal lane changes.

 

[Knightshade]

The feds are going to have to figure out a way to qualify a system as being as safe as the manufactures say.

HW2.5 is only ever going to need to do AP (or I guess EAP on those left that didn't buy FSD) so it's never going to be more than an L2 driver aid- no need for regulation there really.

And other than anecdotes of "I got HW3 and it does X better!" which have plenty of folks saying "Yeah but Y got worse" (and usually they're also comparing different SW revisions when doing this) there remains no objective evidence of HW3 AP being any different from HW2.5 AP

Elon cited 2.5 at 85% capacity- and they haven't added any substantive new features to it since (none at all other than "showing cones on screen") since then.

And that, presumably is doing EAP-only things like Nav on AP- not basic AP.

Meaning it was near max capacity- but not over it- for the things it's tasked to do.

 

[yerEVan]

Is this dude/ette pulling the trigger??

inquiring minds want to know.

 

[TomB985]

Is this dude/ette pulling the trigger??

inquiring minds want to know.

I hope he does. But if nothing else, his post inspired me to check and make the leap myself. I probably wouldn't have found this had I not stumbled across this thread, up until now it was offering the upgrade for $7000.

 

[AdamVIP]

Right now there is no reason to pay for FSD especially if you already have EAP. There's no new functionality and and a fuzzy timeline at best for when you'll have it. Remember they were touted "later this year" back in 2019. If the features were available I could see paying but right now you are better off taking that money and putting it into the market and riding the wave of recovery. You'll more than make up for a price increase by the time FSD goes live.

 

[stevevets]

if you do have EAP, why would you pay $4000 more for FSD which will give you almost nothing extra at this point?

Because most people live on the assumption that they will exist for a longer period of time than the current moment and can therefore invest in benefits that they will receive at a later point in time.

 

[TomB985]

Right now there is no reason to pay for FSD especially if you already have EAP. There's no new functionality and and a fuzzy timeline at best for when you'll have it. Remember they were touted "later this year" back in 2019. If the features were available I could see paying but right now you are better off taking that money and putting it into the market and riding the wave of recovery. You'll more than make up for a price increase by the time FSD goes live.

If the deal would last that long, I would agree. But the availability came as a consequence of a system glitch that gave myself and numerous others EAP erroneously. Tesla has a record of revoking EAP once they realize the error and corrected in their systems, at which point the price would go up $3000 for me. So I forked over my credit card under the assumption they would honor the purchase if/when this happens.

And I'll be honest, I don't use the EAP functions every day, but was dreading the day they took them away. Might be able to have my cake and eat it too.

 

[LCR1]

Future proof is a myth. Ask the early S owners how that's working out for them. Won't be long before other hardware changes are made to Teslas that can't be easily retrofited.

Also ask everyone across the pond who now have Tesla's with two different charge ports. The S/X have a Telsa plug and the 3/Y have CCS. Tesla had to go back and add CCS plugs to every super charger. Not to mention the Roadster has its own plug that Tesla abandoned when they developed the S.

 

[rdskill]

If the deal would last that long, I would agree. But the availability came as a consequence of a system glitch that gave myself and numerous others EAP erroneously. Tesla has a record of revoking EAP once they realize the error and corrected in their systems, at which point the price would go up $3000 for me. So I forked over my credit card under the assumption they would honor the purchase if/when this happens.

And I'll be honest, I don't use the EAP functions every day, but was dreading the day they took them away. Might be able to have my cake and eat it too.

Hope it works out for you. That would be awesome. In my case the salesman said I would get it for taking delivery on the last weekend of the 2019 2nd Qtr push. A change order was even placed to make the car EAP.

I took a long road trip (6,100 miles) and about 1/3 of the way thru it I stopped using NoA and just using AP. Did my own lane changes in a much safer manner and that's when i could finally have a relaxing drive. No longer posed at all times to take control. Faster and cleaner lane changes. No more cutting off faster cars coming up from behind. By the time Tesla corporate took away EAP, I wasn't using any of its features.

 

[ElectricLee]

BUY IT ASAP. Use it on Tesla Network in a few years, then the Model 3 will pay you back once you buy another Model 3 in 2024. Keep making that Cheese.

 

[focher]

If you have 2.5 you will have noticed all the visualization they are no longer displaying. Bicycles/pedestrians 3 feet from me are no longer displayed. Car breaking after a car turning left in front of it.These are all indications of an lagging system. cutting the data being processed and no longer passing it to the graphics display are ways to aid a lagging system.

Elon stated months ago that HW2.5 was running at 85% while HW3 was running at 5% (pretty sure it was this low, but i would like to check it. I think it was a tweet). Which version do you want when your wife or kid is driving a car with autopilot?

Your own post argues exactly the opposite of the very point you claim to make. Visualization is not assisted driving. What you see on the screen is not what the system sees. And FSD explicitly requires HW 3 and Tesla has said so since announcing that hardware.

But you really lost it when you threw out the "think of the children" in your argument. My wife and I completely understand that, even with HW 3, the car is not autonomous and it's a driver assist system. If you have otherwise in your mind, it's you that's the safety hazard.

By all means, you should file a complaint with the NHTSA demanding they take action if that makes you feel you've done your part.

Right now there is no reason to pay for FSD especially if you already have EAP. There's no new functionality and and a fuzzy timeline at best for when you'll have it.

There is actually a reason to pay for FSD, and that's for the HW 3 upgrade if you have a car with HW 2.5. Only an individual can decide if that's a good enough reason, though. I did and bought the FSD package for $2k in March 2019 for my 2018 EAP equipped car. I haven't received a single new feature for that money, but I received upgraded hardware.

 

[yerEVan]

I hope he does. But if nothing else, his post inspired me to check and make the leap myself. I probably wouldn't have found this had I not stumbled across this thread, up until now it was offering the upgrade for $7000.

I pulled the trigger a year ago on the $5k FSD option and do not regret a penny even though it’s half baked.

 

[TomB985]

I pulled the trigger a year ago on the $5k FSD option and do not regret a penny even though it’s half baked.

I came close, and honestly expected it to come down as time went on. But it did the exact opposite. Here's hoping the features either come to market or the price declines...$7K is a *bit* steep for vaporware IMHO.

 

[cucubits]

So yeah, they will pull it if they find out. Enjoy EAP while you can. I wouldn't bother with FSD

I came close, and honestly expected it to come down as time went on. But it did the exact opposite. Here's hoping the features either come to market or the price declines...$7K is a *bit* steep for vaporware IMHO.

Sadly it's quite the opposite. I've read somewhere that it's planned to have it go up to $8k soon. I'm completely amazed by the people who still gladly throw away their money at this. Some even believe that FSD will actually work on this hardware iteration...

 

[TomB985]

Sadly it's quite the opposite. I've read somewhere that it's planned to have it go up to $8k soon. I'm completely amazed by the people who still gladly throw away their money at this. Some even believe that FSD will actually work on this hardware iteration...

It's not that I disagree, but "never say never".

If there's one thing I've gotten in appreciation for over my year of ownership, it's how many things Tesla has been able to pull off that everyone else said was impossible. They rarely deliver promises on time, but so far they've lived up to most of the hype. Eventually.

I also wonder how the system could deal with pulling out into traffic at a T-intersection without side-facing radar/lidar/somethingorother. I don't think the engineers who designed the system forgot about such a glaring issue, so I think they have solutions in mind for that and the other issues that currently prevent the car from driving itself. We shall see… I refused to even consider it before release until I was offered the option for $4K.

 

[ElectricIAC]

Sadly it's quite the opposite. I've read somewhere that it's planned to have it go up to $8k soon. I'm completely amazed by the people who still gladly throw away their money at this. Some even believe that FSD will actually work on this hardware iteration...

Yeah: $7,000 was already steep but if it’d been $8,000 I’d have passed on it in my P3D even though my adjustment was more than sufficient to cover it. There’s just too much missing hardware for it to do what it’s “supposed to do” in the future.