Using CCS chargers

[israndy]

Luckily, CHAdeMO is a “world standard“ that is rapidly fading and will die out everywhere except Japan.

I was just at the Buttonwillow Supercharger and Chargepoint has 3 combo Level 3 chargers going in, CCS/CHAdeMO. Ever one of these new Chargepoint Level 3 chargers I have seen have had CHAdeMO on them. Not sure what speed the CHAdeMOs charge at, but with all the free high-speed charging I am finding in that format I have already half paid for my CHAdeMO adapter in the couple of months I have had it. Next trick is going to be driving the car around the globe using the adapter.

Really expected once I got the adapter Tesla would have released a cheap CCS adapter for NA, somehow Murphy's Law didn't bite me

 

[Saghost]

Really expected once I got the adapter Tesla would have released a cheap CCS adapter for NA, somehow Murphy's Law didn't bite me

Yet.

 

[Vostok]

I was just at the Buttonwillow Supercharger and Chargepoint has 3 combo Level 3 chargers going in, CCS/CHAdeMO. Ever one of these new Chargepoint Level 3 chargers I have seen have had CHAdeMO on them. Not sure what speed the CHAdeMOs charge at, but with all the free high-speed charging I am finding in that format I have already half paid for my CHAdeMO adapter in the couple of months I have had it. Next trick is going to be driving the car around the globe using the adapter.

Sure, CHAdeMO and CCS2 connectors are on all new fast charging stations being put in here too, but that’s just to be nice to serve the existing (small) base of vehicles with CHAdeMO fast DC charging ports.

In terms of new BEVs being made with CHAdeMO as the fast DC charging port - there’s the Nissan LEAF and... crickets. CHAdeMO supports a maximum charge rate of 62.5 kW, CHAdeMO 2.0 is 400 kW.

Very pleased that Tesla adopted CCS2 here... it opens up almost every fast DC charger in the country to us, no adaptors required. Very wise decision

 

[cwerdna]

I have heard that term being used before, but there are benefits to the CCS2 design in that a single “port” on the car supports both AC and DC charging, and the DC charging part supports up to 500 kW.

That's a frequently touted "advantage" of CCS backers. IMHO, it's not really and a solution in search of a problem. There's no shortage of space and a bunch of automakers have ended up having to support at least 3 different DC FC connectors on their vehicles.

Examples: VW e-Golf, BMW i3 and Mercedes EQC have all had to support Combo1, Combo2 AND CHAdeMO. I've physically seen the Japanese market versions of e-Golf and EQC at Tokyo Motor Show and have pics. They have CHAdeMO. I've seen pics of the Japanese market i3 (BMW i3 Gets CHAdeMO Charged In Japan) in addition to their specs pointing to it and pics from a driver of one in Japan who posted them on an i3 FB group.

Nissan LEAFs here came standard with two separate ports - CHAdeMO and J-1772. The fact that fast DC charging was a paid optional extra in LEAFs elsewhere in the world highlights one of the limitations of CHAdeMO.

Sure, so do other vehicles w/CHAdeMO inlets. Here in the US, there have been and still are highway legal mass-market consumer EVs sold and leased as new that don't come standard with DC FC. It's often an option, regardless of whether it's SAE Combo or CHAdeMO. And, some don't even offer it is an option (e.g. Fiat 500e) or never did when they were sold/leased (e.g. US Fit EV, Coda, Mercedes B-Class ED, gen 2 Rav4 EV, etc.)

FWIW, in the largest auto market in the world and largest plug-in vehicle market in the world (at least 3x the sales in a year of plug-ins vs the US), they seem to equip them w/2 inlets: GB/T inlets for AC and DC charging: Tesla Model 3 arrives in China with dual charging ports – The Long Tail Pipe Jay in Shanghai on Twitter.

 

[Vostok]

That's a frequently touted "advantage" of CCS backers.

Tesla, for example.

IMHO, it's not really and a solution in search of a problem

I’m not sure why you think that, since Tesla went down the same path of having one plug that handles both AC and DC. Having one physical port is a solution to not wanting to have two physically separate and different ports in a car.

There's no shortage of space and a bunch of automakers have ended up having to support at least 3 different DC FC connectors on their vehicles.

Historically, yes, when it was not clear what ‘standard’ would win, and there was a piebald deployment of chargers, so bets had to be hedged. But looking forward I think that’s far less likely and CCS2 will prevail. Certainly in Europe and here, and probably in Africa and South America when EVs start to gain traction there and they “sniff the breeze” of what has happened elsewhere in the world. China, Japan and the USA might remain the odd ones out.

FWIW, in the largest auto market in the world and largest plug-in vehicle market in the world (at least 3x the sales in a year of plug-ins vs the US), they seem to equip them w/2 inlets: GB/T inlets for AC and DC charging: Tesla Model 3 arrives in China with dual charging ports – The Long Tail Pipe Jay in Shanghai on Twitter.

That’s just China being China. They’ve tried lots of times to mandate their own ‘standard’ in various areas which they hope will be adopted outside of China and they can claim some national pride points. There’s also an element of “not invented here” so wanting to come up with their own. As you note, their market is so large they can kinda do what they like, and have a notionally Communist government to enforce it.

 

[PJF000]

notionally

You mean Existent

 

[Vostok]

You mean Existent

I meant what I wrote. The Chinese Government is lots of things, but the State no longer controls all means of production, and private profit is allowed. That’s not Communism.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

I meant what I wrote. The Chinese Government is lots of things, but the State no longer controls all means of production, and private profit is allowed. That’s not Communism.

They don't talk about Communism at all. They talk about "Socialism with Chinese characteristics".

Socialism with Chinese characteristics - Wikipedia

It's really become a joke to China followers. The "with Chinese characteristics" is their catchall excuse.

 

[renim]

the global standard for DC fast chargers by manufacturing, thy name is GBT

 

[Vostok]

the global standard for DC fast chargers by manufacturing, thy name is GBT

If that’s your sole metric, then OK, but can a “standard” which is used in only one country (and the reference to it allegedly being adopted in India is ‘interesting’) be called a “global standard”? I think not.

 

[lonewolf313]

Over the weekend, I used the NRMA Fast Charger at Homebush to charge a Model 3

It has 50KW CCS2 and 50KW Chademo.

Arrived there with around a quarter tank of electrons.

Set car to 100% charge which would take 1 hr 05 min.

When you attach the plug to the car you can choose between 80% and MAX before clicking Start. It is currently free for everyone to use, not just for NRMA members.

The charger unit automatically stopped at 95% which took 54 min and it put 33kWh into the car

 

[wdolson]

If that’s your sole metric, then OK, but can a “standard” which is used in only one country (and the reference to it allegedly being adopted in India is ‘interesting’) be called a “global standard”? I think not.

When a large country with a growing economy adopts a standard, it may not become international, but international manufacturers need to adapt. It may never catch on outside India and China, but the fact that they are used in a potential market of 2 billion does mean manufacturers are at least going to be considering its impact over time and possibly making an adapter.

 

[EcoCloudIT]

I meant what I wrote. The Chinese Government is lots of things, but the State no longer controls all means of production, and private profit is allowed. That’s not Communism.

agreed, less rules and regulations than our nanny state governments. Chinese government, for most day to day people, is socialist/capitalist government