Video: Here's why you have to keep your eyes on the road when using Autopilot

[Electroman]

To OP: I would not be driving with AP in those conditions, with bots and fuzy lines. Those are friggin bots and AP does not do a good job of finding the lane. Why would you use AP in those conditions? Also why the left lane?

 

[KZKZ]

This whole debate has burned me on teslamotorsclub. I've been a frequent poster on numerous other forums with thousands of posts (overclock.net, forum.notebookreivew.com, reddit, etc). I've never been to a forum where thread bashing was so opening accepted as it is here. It's disappointing. I'll wasted so much time proving my case to argumentative people here. I already regret it, I should have done what the people who messaged me said to do, "Just my two cents - you need to ignore the nutjobs on TMC. There are people on here who act like they are married to Elon Musk or are his blood relative, and anything negative about the Model S is a personal attack on them. Therefore, its a lie! Please don't let them bother you!" Another user messaged "Ignore the noise-makers on this forum. They tend to make noise just to hear themselves make noise." From now on, that will be my attitude.

Thank you to everyone who believed me in the first place. To those who didn't here you go....

Thanks for posting all that you have and for enduring the stings from the swarms who feel they need to protect the Queen Bee, or something.

 

[KZKZ]

To OP: I would not be driving with AP in those conditions, with bots and fuzy lines. Those are friggin bots and AP does not do a good job of finding the lane. Why would you use AP in those conditions? Also why the left lane?

If AP can't handle this freeway, then it shouldn't be allowed on the road.

 

[sorka]

Can you fix the permissions on the video? It won't play and says "private".

 

[valkeriefire]

Can you fix the permissions on the video? It won't play and says "private".

I think I fixed it. Sorry, I didn't want the video to show up in general searches, I wanted it "unlisted", but I set it wrong I guess. Let me know if it doesn't work.

 

[rfmurphy81]

If I can ask a slightly off-topic question since it seems like the conversation has settled down, how do you get the audio always on in your Blackvue? Mine seems to always be off and I have the setting turned to on so I'm really confused.

Plus, it may have gotten lost earlier in the thread but @supratachophobia asked how the defrost vents don't show up in the video; I'm curious as well because my videos seem to always show them. Perhaps it was based on where the sun was positioned during the day or something else.

 

[valkeriefire]

If I can ask a slightly off-topic question since it seems like the conversation has settled down, how do you get the audio always on in your Blackvue? Mine seems to always be off and I have the setting turned to on so I'm really confused.

Plus, it may have gotten lost earlier in the thread but @supratachophobia asked how the defrost vents don't show up in the video; I'm curious as well because my videos seem to always show them. Perhaps it was based on where the sun was positioned during the day or something else.

I just selected the Audio ON option within the blackvue C app. I'm not sure there is anything else to it. When you compare the weakness of my audio volume, with Sorka's higher volume, and your "no volume", I wonder if blackvue has a quality control problem with their microphones. I even wondered if I had packing tape on it still or something else muffling the sound.

My front windshield has tint on it, it is fairly dark. That's probably the cause of the different reflections in my window.

 

[supratachophobia]

I just selected the Audio ON option within the blackvue C app. I'm not sure there is anything else to it. When you compare the weakness of my audio volume, with Sorka's higher volume, and your "no volume", I wonder if blackvue has a quality control problem with their microphones. I even wondered if I had packing tape on it still or something else muffling the sound.

My front windshield has tint on it, it is fairly dark. That's probably the cause of the different reflections in my window.
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Mystery solved!

 

[Garlan Garner]

Mystery solved!

LOL

 

[sorka]

I just selected the Audio ON option within the blackvue C app. I'm not sure there is anything else to it. When you compare the weakness of my audio volume, with Sorka's higher volume, and your "no volume", I wonder if blackvue has a quality control problem with their microphones. I even wondered if I had packing tape on it still or something else muffling the sound.

My front windshield has tint on it, it is fairly dark. That's probably the cause of the different reflections in my window.
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So yes, the engagement tone is clearly heard when you turned it on and it is clearly not heard when you swerve back over to your lane. It's a little quieter than the sample I posted but not that much quieter. It's still pretty obvious.

I know this is not what you want to hear, but the reason I don't hear it at the swerve event is because I do hear it at 19:26, just a bit more than a minute before the swerve incident. But it occurs at exactly the video clip transition boundary where the sound cuts out. Using headphones, you can clearly here the tail end of the second lower tone of the two tone chime after the sound comes back after the clip transition.

I understand your frustration at being questioned. There are threads many thousands of messages long in this forum with epic battles that will probably be told for generations. I really wouldn't use the term troll towards those that have thousands of posts and thousands of rep points. A troll is someone who has a clear agenda, no rep, and very few posts. I've defended and bashed Tesla at about an equal rate depending on the issue as others will attest. I've even switched sides on some issues when evidence warrants it.

I'm not trying to troll you or pick on you. I've even given you a few likes in this thread.

 

[Garlan Garner]

I just selected the Audio ON option within the blackvue C app. I'm not sure there is anything else to it. When you compare the weakness of my audio volume, with Sorka's higher volume, and your "no volume", I wonder if blackvue has a quality control problem with their microphones. I even wondered if I had packing tape on it still or something else muffling the sound.

My front windshield has tint on it, it is fairly dark. That's probably the cause of the different reflections in my window.
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Are you brining this car to the TMC event?

 

[Garlan Garner]

I just selected the Audio ON option within the blackvue C app. I'm not sure there is anything else to it. When you compare the weakness of my audio volume, with Sorka's higher volume, and your "no volume", I wonder if blackvue has a quality control problem with their microphones. I even wondered if I had packing tape on it still or something else muffling the sound.

My front windshield has tint on it, it is fairly dark. That's probably the cause of the different reflections in my window.
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I'm sorry. I can clearly hear a woman and a child talking. My warning sounds are louder than the people talking in the car.

No matter...I'm not sure what you are looking for in this thread. What would you like to see happen?

Might I also suggest that you not mention too many times the darkness of your front window tint. There might be some LE in this forum that would love to track your car.

 

[larryep]

i don not think the auto pilot was on either. usually when i drive, this pops up

Airplane! Autopilot

 

[valkeriefire]

I'm done with this thread. I should have followed this advice of the people who messaged me. Sorka I think you're so desperate to not be wrong you can't back down. Now you're saying I unknowingly turned off the Autopilot 1 minute before the event. The only way that could happen is if I manually pushed in the knob. If I had pushed in the knob, the TACC would have turned off also, and the car would have either A) lurched forward due to regenerative braking or B) speed up when I had to put my foot into the gas. The car doesn't move, it maintains speed all the way up until the event, which proves the TACC was not turned off and that I didn't touch the AP lever. We know I didn't turn the steering wheel because the car doesn't move to the left or the right. Then the car then makes 2 turns which I distinctly remember feeling the steering wheel making. Even if I had turned off the Autopilot (which I did not), I would have drifted left when the event occurred, not to the right, but we already covered that. Not to mention the oh so incredible "coincidence" that the seam occurs right then. Lastly, a Tesla engineer private messaged me today requesting the GPS coordinates of the incident so that they can investigate it and prevent it from occurring again. If AP turned off before it happened, they wouldn't have messaged me. I'm done, nothing is going to convince you.

Are you brining this car to the TMC event?

Garlan I wouldn't let you anywhere near my car.

Might I also suggest that you not mention too many times the darkness of your front window tint. There might be some LE in this forum that would love to track your car.

I work with LE all day every day. They don't care about my tint. Even if they did, they wouldn't ticket me. You're subtle attempt to be threatening is humorous. The idea that LE has nothing better to do than listen to your forum suggestions is nuts, they're much more concerned with not getting ambushed and going real police work, I know, because I work with them.

 

[GoTslaGo]

@valkeriefire

Keep using AP, it will learn and get better. My personal experience is that it did. Being vigilant about using AP is good.

Spam Tesla with your problems at [email protected] (or [email protected]) every time you have an AP problem (or even non-AP problem). I tried to always include information on location, heading, speed, time of day, issues, and some theories about what I think is causing the problem. I think it helps them pull the logs.

They are quite good about responding, and are proactive about fixing things as long as they know there is a problem. I find the email to them works quite well.

Enjoy your S!

 

[Garlan Garner]

I'm done with this thread. I should have followed this advice of the people who messaged me. Sorka I think you're so desperate to not be wrong you can't back down. Now you're saying I unknowingly turned off the Autopilot 1 minute before the event. The only way that could happen is if I manually pushed in the knob. If I had pushed in the knob, the TACC would have turned off also, and the car would have either A) lurched forward due to regenerative braking or B) speed up when I had to put my foot into the gas. The car doesn't move, it maintains speed all the way up until the event, which proves the TACC was not turned off and that I didn't touch the AP lever. We know I didn't turn the steering wheel because the car doesn't move to the left or the right. Then the car then makes 2 turns which I distinctly remember feeling the steering wheel making. Even if I had turned off the Autopilot (which I did not), I would have drifted left when the event occurred, not to the right, but we already covered that. Not to mention the oh so incredible "coincidence" that the seam occurs right then. Lastly, a Tesla engineer private messaged me today requesting the GPS coordinates of the incident so that they can investigate it and prevent it from occurring again. If AP turned off before it happened, they wouldn't have messaged me. I'm done, nothing is going to convince you.



Garlan I wouldn't let you anywhere near my car.



I work with LE all day every day. They don't care about my tint. Even if they did, they wouldn't ticket me. You're subtle attempt to be threatening is humorous. The idea that LE has nothing better to do than listen to your forum suggestions is nuts, they're much more concerned with not getting ambushed and going real police work, I know, because I work with them.

LOL.

You never answer any questions that question the validity of your claims.
Illegal window tint is Illegal. No matter what response you do or don't get from LE.
Dark tint on the front windshield? I won't have to get near the car to see that. I'll see it. I'll be there.

I'm still not sure what you want from this thread.

 

[Sandman1962]

On my trip back from Los Angeles, while on Autopilot, this exact thing happened to me. A silver Audi was coming up on my right hand side, my hands were on the wheel lightly. As the Audi was passing, my MS, which was working perfectly and had no issue with station keeping in the lane, meandered over towards the Audi. It was not a sudden dive at the Audi, but it crossed over the lane marker and I had to take control. I do remember that Autopilot had disengaged when I took the wheel. I watched the whole thing happen, was paying attention, and corrected the situation.

 

[dhanson865]

the reason I don't hear it at the swerve event is because I do hear it at 19:26, just a bit more than a minute before the swerve incident. But it occurs at exactly the video clip transition boundary where the sound cuts out. Using headphones, you can clearly here the tail end of the second lower tone of the two tone chime after the sound comes back after the clip transition.

Are you making up timestamps now? I've watched all the videos in this thread twice now looking for 19:26 and I don't see that on any of the videos.

Are you talking about

which is only 6:57 long and the blackvue timestamp says 14:21:xx at the end of the video and 14:20:xx near the time of the event.

I really wonder what you are watching.

 

[valkeriefire]

I won't have to get near the car to see that. I'll see it. I'll be there.

Now I have an internet stalker. Creepy. This thread is out of control. Garlan's last post makes me seriously uncomfortable. Obviously Sorka and Garlan aren't going to be convinced, so any further discussion is pointless. I won't be reading or posting in this thread again.

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Here was another Private Message I received, all references to the sender have been redacted. Thanks for the support, I won't be feeding any more trolls.

 

[Garlan Garner]

Now I have an internet stalker. Creepy. This thread is out of control. Garlan's last post makes me seriously uncomfortable. Obviously Sorka and Garlan aren't going to be convinced, so any further discussion is pointless. I won't be reading or posting in this thread again.

From 5 Most Effective Ways To Deal With Arrogant Internet Trolls



Here was another Private Message I received, all references to the sender have been redacted. Thanks for the support, I won't be feeding any more trolls.

I was coming to TMC before this thread.