What happened to MR?

[dnvr-ev]

LR is a pack with fully populated modules.
MR is a pack with slightly less cells in each module.
Current SR/SR+ is a pack with even less cells in each module.
Soon to be SR/SR+ will be ‘new’ module design fully populated, but considerably less cells than a LR.

SR/SR+ and MR are not same car. No current plans to offer upcharge on range. Cells are not locked out on MR. Those who claim that, don’t know how battery packs in EV’s work.

How come Tesla sold upgrades on the Model S later to people to unlock the full pack?

Let’s say the SR and SR+ both have 50kw packs as originally planned. How are they getting 240 miles out of 50kw? Then the LR should be getting easily 360 and not 325 since it is 50% larger. Unless, the LR pack is not fully utilized. If you have inside knowledge then please explain the logic behind the SR+ if not to clear out extra parts? If the SR+ is really 50KW then why can’t the LR go further? Thank you.

 

[redgt]

How come Tesla sold upgrades on the Model S later to people to unlock the full pack if that has something to do with not understanding EV’s?

Let’s say the SR and SR+ both have 50kw packs as originally planned. How are they getting 240 miles out of 50kw? Then the LR should be getting easily 360 and not 325 since it is 50% larger. Unless, the LR pack is not fully utilized. If you have inside knowledge then please explain the logic behind the SR+ if not to clear out extra parts? If the SR+ is really 50KW then why can’t the LR go further? Thank you.

those model S packs were limited the wrong way. well at least as far as cost is concerned

these model 3 packs actually have a physical limitation and cannot be changed later remotely by a software update

gigagrunt laid it all out

current RWD packs may look the same and have the same physical volume but depending on model have less actual cells inside - im guessing dummy/blank cells

who knows? thats why he makes the big bucks

 

[dnvr-ev]

those model S packs were limited the wrong way. well at least as far as cost is concerned

these model 3 packs actually have a physical limitation and cannot be changed later remotely by a software update

gigagrunt laid it all out

current RWD packs may look the same and have the same physical volume but depending on model have less actual cells inside - im guessing dummy/blank cells

who knows? thats why he makes the big bucks

If the car has dummy cells or weights in it, that makes sense, but the SR pack is 50kw and the SR+ is going 240 miles with that pack. The LR pack is 75kw and should go 360 miles with the single motor using the math of what the SR+ can do. 240 miles should only be achievable with an MR battery pack that might be software locked back to 240. Or does the SR+ Have more cells than the SR but less than the MR?

 

[GigaGrunt]

How come Tesla sold upgrades on the Model S later to people to unlock the full pack?

Let’s say the SR and SR+ both have 50kw packs as originally planned. How are they getting 240 miles out of 50kw? Then the LR should be getting easily 360 and not 325 since it is 50% larger. Unless, the LR pack is not fully utilized. If you have inside knowledge then please explain the logic behind the SR+ if not to clear out extra parts? If the SR+ is really 50KW then why can’t the LR go further? Thank you.

Model S upgrades were designed that way. Less flexibility then. Resources focused on more important tasks.

 

[GigaGrunt]

If the car has dummy cells or weights in it, that makes sense, but the SR pack is 50kw and the SR+ is going 240 miles with that pack. The LR pack is 75kw and should go 360 miles with the single motor using the math of what the SR+ can do. 240 miles should only be achievable with an MR battery pack that might be software locked back to 240. Or does the SR+ Have more cells than the SR but less than the MR?

You practically answered your own question. Weight. It’s not linear.

 

[GigaGrunt]

those model S packs were limited the wrong way. well at least as far as cost is concerned

these model 3 packs actually have a physical limitation and cannot be changed later remotely by a software update

gigagrunt laid it all out

current RWD packs may look the same and have the same physical volume but depending on model have less actual cells inside - im guessing dummy/blank cells

who knows? thats why he makes the big bucks

Blanks.

 

[DeLa]

We ordered a MR white with black interior premium interior and was advised car is ready to be picked up by Friday! I really hope there are no negative surprises!

 

[vickh]

Model S upgrades were designed that way. Less flexibility then. Resources focused on more important tasks.

I agree resource allocation of the battery constraint now.

so your recommendations for the best used Model S variant/year that is software locked so I can charge to 100%

 

[dnvr-ev]

Blanks.

Thank you for info

Does the m3 cost around $30k to build as so many have stated?

Will the SR+ go away soon?

 

[GigaGrunt]

Thank you for info

Does the m3 cost around $30k to build as so many have stated?

Will the SR+ go away soon?

I can’t speak to total BOM. Not going anywhere anytime soon. But. It’s Tesla.

 

[dnvr-ev]

I can’t speak to total BOM. Not going anywhere anytime soon. But. It’s Tesla.

Last ? if you are able to settle it, do you know if hw3 is going to be given to fsd buyers or if 2.5 will be able to handle 1st version of fsd?

 

[Knightshade]

Last ? if you are able to settle it, do you know if hw3 is going to be given to fsd buyers

Were the first 5 times the CEO of Tesla told you they were not sufficient for you?

 

[dnvr-ev]

Were the first 5 times the CEO of Tesla told you they were not sufficient for you?

I believe that Elon fully believes what he is saying all five times.

 

[vickh]

do all current/2019 SR+ M3 have hw3? reason to not buy 2018/demos

 

[Knightshade]

do all current/2019 SR+ M3 have hw3? reason to not buy 2018/demos

As far as anyone knows, 0 consumer-production Model 3s have HW3 in there... (some tesla test mule cars/maybe employee test cars do)

But since it's only useful for FSD, and a HW3 upgrade comes free with FSD, there'd be no reason to wait either way.

 

[vickh]

As far as anyone knows, 0 consumer-production Model 3s have HW3 in there... (some tesla test mule cars/maybe employee test cars do)

But since it's only useful for FSD, and a HW3 upgrade comes free with FSD, there'd be no reason to wait either way.

so same charge if you upgrade to FSD, they'll add HW3 chip down the road? Can they do it to for 2.0 hardware on MS as well?

 

[GigaGrunt]

As far as anyone knows, 0 consumer-production Model 3s have HW3 in there... (some tesla test mule cars/maybe employee test cars do)

But since it's only useful for FSD, and a HW3 upgrade comes free with FSD, there'd be no reason to wait either way.

Employee purchase cars do not. Test mules, very possible.

 

[Knightshade]

Employee purchase cars do not. Test mules, very possible.

I was talking about the employee cars purchased through the testing system- a while back an internal email was leaked basically offering employees EAP and FSD for free if they buy a tesla and agree to alpha-test new FSD features.... I would have expected those to be where they're doing greater HW3 testing.

 

[Knightshade]

so same charge if you upgrade to FSD, they'll add HW3 chip down the road? Can they do it to for 2.0 hardware on MS as well?

Allegedly all cars with FSD, regardless of 2.0 or 2.5, gets the HW3 upgrade....the 2.x computer was specifically designed to be swapped easily.

 

[dnvr-ev]

Employee purchase cars do not. Test mules, very possible.

You could settle so many people’s minds if you know. Does the first version of FSD run on 2.5 or will 3.0 have to be installed for FSD to work?