What will MX be cross shopped against?

[EchoDelta]

I'd love to have a table/wiki with other vehicles in any of the same price / utility segment as well as PHEV SUVs (but can't put the time in it right now )

 

[RobStark]

Large Luxury SUV	July 2014	July 2013	% Change	2014 YTD	2013 YTD	% Change
Cadillac Escalade & Escalade ESV/EXT​	3894 ​	1975	97.2%	14,349	12,638	13.5%
Infiniti QX80 / QX56​	952 ​	780	22.1%	7170	6747	6.3%
Land Rover Range Rover​	1273 ​	1420	-10.4%	7238	6740	7.4%
Lexus LX570​	248 ​	292	-15.1%	2229	2308	-3.4%
Lincoln Navigator​	634 ​	633	0.2%	4287	4462	-3.9%
Mercedes-Benz G-Class​	252 ​	230	9.6%	1738	1503	15.6%
Mercedes-Benz GL-Class​	1640 ​	2165	-24.2%	13,366	17,111	-21.9%
Toyota Land Cruiser​	213 ​	214	-0.5%	1706	1698	0.5%
---​	---​	---	---	---	---	---
Total​	9106​	7709	18.1%	52,083	53,207	-2.1%

Midsize Luxury SUV	July 2014	July 2013	% Change	2014 YTD	2013 YTD	% Change
Acura MDX​	6283 ​	5551	13.2%	36,947	23,765	55.5%
Acura ZDX​	7 ​	41	-82.9%	63	277	-77.3%
Audi Q7​	1446 ​	1328	8.9%	9881	7908	24.9%
BMW X5​	2688 ​	2674	0.5%	25,126	24,133	4.1%
BMW X6​	669 ​	212	216%	3007	3008	-0.1%
Cadillac SRX​	4599 ​	4943	-7.0%	33,463	28,933	15.7%
Infiniti QX60/JX​	2232 ​	2747	-18.7%	17,831	17,530	1.7%
Infiniti QX70/FX​	373 ​	325	14.8%	3278	3941	-16.8%
Land Rover LR4​	533 ​	622	-14.3%	2614	4231	-38.2%
Land Rover Range Rover Sport​	1614 ​	752	115%	11,420	7947	43.7%
Lexus GX460​	1955 ​	881	122%	12,231	5296	131%
Lexus RX​	9658 ​	8437	14.5%	56,922	54,255	4.9%
Lincoln MKT​	406 ​	437	-7.1%	3153	3693	-14.6%
Lincoln MKX​	1983 ​	2002	-0.9%	15,080	13,653	10.5%
Mercedes-Benz M-Class​	3276 ​	3092	6.0%	25,216	22,404	12.6%
Porsche Cayenne​	1546 ​	1563	-1.1%	10,259	11,082	-7.4%
Volkswagen Touareg *​	581 ​	603	-3.6%	3868	4933	-21.6%
Volvo XC70 *​	456 ​	440	3.6%	2637	2867	-8.0%
Volvo XC90​	380 ​	811	-53.1%	3031	4183	-27.5%
---​	---​	---	---	---	---	---
Total​	40,685​	37,461	8.6%	276,027	244,039	13.1%

 

[James Anders]

I can't see a whole lot of cross-shopping for the MX. We're still very much in the early adopter phase and those people considering a MX have a primary motivation of looking for a full-electric crossover/SUV and because it's a Tesla.

There's nothing really out there or expected for some time.

 

[Blossom]

The X will replace a Subaru Outback. If we weren't going electric, we'd probably buy another Subaru.

 

[M67v]

Porsche Cayenne, Audi Q7, Mercedes-Benz GL-class, and BMW X5

 

[Clprenz]

The New Volvo XC90 T8 is going to be extremely competitive!!! Might undercut the price by a good $10k

 

[adhawan]

The New Volvo XC90 T8 is going to be extremely competitive!!! Might undercut the price by a good $10k

I agree, and more like $30k after tax if fully loaded. The XC90 also has a ton of active
safety features, unlimited range, roof rack, and more comfortable seating in all three rows. We're on the fence between the two to replace our XC90.

 

[wts13]

more comfortable seating in all three rows.

How would you know this? Have you sat in either?

 

[adhawan]

How would you know this? Have you sat in either?

No way of being 100% yet, more of an educated guess. Simply speaking from my experience with our current XC90 and Model S seats, I've personally found Volvo seats to be the best. Also from what I'be read, the upcoming XC90 is expected to have more interior room than the outgoing model with a third row now suitable for passengers up to 5'7", independently reclining second row buckets, and even a heated/cooled massage seat for the front. If the Model S second row is any indication, the sloping nature of the rear roof will likely require a lower third row seat and/or reduced headroom, which may be less suitable for adults.

 

[Chop110]

Anybody have any guesses, how much a Model X will go for?

 

[adiggs]

Anybody have any guesses, how much a Model X will go for?

My mental assumption is Model S plus 10%. I figure the 2nd motor will add to the price. The size of that assumption is at least 50%, if not more, motivated by a desire to overestimate the price for Model X so I can be pleasantly surprised at how "lightly" I'll get away from the order page for.

 

[robby]

Well I suppose we can add the dual-motor Model S to this list now...

 

[GregHudson]

If the only thing one wants is an all-electric SUV (like my wife does), then what else is there? We already have a "baby Tesla" Toyota Rav4 EV, and that doesn't hold a candle to the Model X (and won't be available much longer). So my wife will be cross shopping the Model X 60kWh against the Model X 85kWh (or whatever configurations Tesla actually releases).

For me, though, I like the EREV (extended range electric vehicle) model that uses a back-up gas engine for when the battery is depleted, so I could see myself cross shopping the Mitsubishi Outlander (if it ever actually arrives in the U.S.), the Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid, Audi Q7 e-tron, Volvo XC90 T8, and perhaps some "regular" hybrids like the Lexus RX450h. I was, at one point, going to strongly consider the Nissan Renaissance (now branded as the 2015 Murano), but was shocked to discover it wasn't going to be EV or hybrid...even though it looks like it should.

Y'know - after looking at that list above, I'm probably not cross shopping at all. Unless Cadillac surprises everyone with an SRX EREV similar to the ELR, or Lexus translates the Toyota Rav4 EV into the luxury fold, the Model X is really all I'd be considering.

You could also add the Mercedes GLE? Or whatever MB have renamed the M Class is. PHEV for their big SUV is on the way in 2015, alsong with many other PHEV models.

GH

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My mental assumption is Model S plus 10%. I figure the 2nd motor will add to the price. The size of that assumption is at least 50%, if not more, motivated by a desire to overestimate the price for Model X so I can be pleasantly surprised at how "lightly" I'll get away from the order page for.

Didn't Elon say the MX was going to be LESS than the MS ?

GH

 

[vandacca]

Didn't Elon say the MX was going to be LESS than the MS ?GH

No. From the day the Model-X was announced, Elon has always stated that the MX would be single-digit (percentage) more than a comparably optioned MS.

 

[AnxietyRanger]

My signature answers this question.

 

[Yggdrasill]

I'll likely cross shop the Model X against a Model 3 crossover, if it is at all mentioned in March 2016.

 

[timf]

No. From the day the Model-X was announced, Elon has always stated that the MX would be single-digit (percentage) more than a comparably optioned MS.

More recently he and others at Tesla have only been saying "priced comparably to Model S". I certainly wouldn't expect it to be less than Model S, but it could be equal to and probably won't be too much more than a Model S with the same battery pack and motor configuration.

 

[AnxietyRanger]

More recently he and others at Tesla have only been saying "priced comparably to Model S". I certainly wouldn't expect it to be less than Model S, but it could be equal to and probably won't be too much more than a Model S with the same battery pack and motor configuration.

FWIW: Elon has also, at least in one event in, I think it was around 2014, used the words "low" single digit percentage more.

 

[wayner]

FWIW: Elon has also, at least in one event in, I think it was around 2014, used the words "low" single digit percentage more.

Hasn't he said a lot of stuff that never panned out? Like having third party apps on the Model S by now.

Here is an Engadget story to this effect: Tesla Model S to get app support and Chrome by late 2014 (video)

 

[sg021]

I cross shopped against smaller ICE cuvs like the x3, NX, and MKC. I would have preferred something smaller than an MX, but obviously such a vehicle from Tesla won't exist for a while yet.