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Work in progress: stalks on 2021 Model S. (and optional round-y wheel)
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Agreed. This is amazing work, and I too am very appreciative. I am so stoked to get this up and running. I had a very tight parallel parking spot the other day. What should have been not too tough, was not only extremely difficult, but down right embarrassing. The turn signals are a minor inconvenience. The lack of gear shifters really detracts from the driving experience.
I hope this modification gets to the point where a complete dumdum like me can install it. I don't do any automotive work, aside from washing my car anymore, and I don't understand any of the electronic-speak in this thread. But I appreciate what Ryan is doing and again thank him for sharing his expertise, time, and efforts with everyone so generously.
I utterly detest the on-screen direction selection. The deletion of that particular stalk and the placement of the new horn ‘button’ are outrageous examples of smart people doing stupid things.
MarcG
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100% agreed with you on the horn, since this is a control you may need to engage very quickly and unexpectedly while driving, without needing to look down at the yoke.
However, I have personally gotten used to shifting on the screen, since this happens between 0 and 2 times per drive. The automatic shifting is pretty good at predicting which direction to start driving in out of my garage or a parking lot, and swiping on the screen is easily done without looking too closely - and it’s done while stationary anyway. Going to park is easy: come to a stop, keep your foot on the brake pedal for safety, unbuckle your seatbelt, then open the door. Voilà, park auto-engages!
With a fully-functional round wheel (buttons & horn all working) and signal stalk, i think this is a significantly better and safer operating environment than the yoke. The shifter would be nice to have, but not necessary for me.
Since you shift “…between 0 and 2 times per drive,” your environment differs from mine significantly. For nearly all my jobs (which as a musician, take me all over the city), I must parallel park on street, often between the girders for elevated trains and around construction sites which require 11-point parking maneuvers. In this common urban situation, to which Elon appears oblivious, on-screen ‘shifting’ is vile; auto-park is clueless; auto-direction select is worse than useless.
Yep. Exactly what I said earlier. It is not big deal for just driving, but complex (multiple) maneuvers are a nightmare.
I almost killed myself yesterday because if this f**ing gear shifting. I had to back into a tight charging spot. I had to maneuver several times, and quickly, as traffic was coming. I slid the gear into reverse, and tapped the pedal, and I lurched FORWARD into traffic. I nearly s**t my pants. I just did not meaningfully and carefully slide the gear down, when I thought I had. Absolutely, ridiculously, dangerous. There was some guy who reported Tesla to the NHTSB because of the turn signals. That is not interesting, but not life-critical. This gear shifting issue clearly is. I am absolutely livid at what happened to me yesterday.
I can absolutely see how that could happen. But it never did, nor would it ever happen with a stalk because one can select direction instantly, without looking, without taking one’s hand off the wheel. And the satisfying clunk with which the lever moves offers instant tactile feedback that you’ve selected the opposite direction successfully. It was perfect; the new method is a complete ergonomic failure. Musk’s decision to move the critical function of direction selection to the screen is utterly indefensible.
I’ve read many apologists for the new controls argue along the lines of ‘…they work great in 95% of driving scenarios,’ as if that’s supposed to be a good percentage—like passing a high school math test. But if I, a musician, played 5% of the notes incorrectly, that would be the sound of unemployed. A surgeon who killed 5% of her patients in routine operations would be a malpractice nightmare. Controls like what direction the car goes when you stomp on the pedal need to work—and feel great working—in 100% of scenarios.
The 95% argument is upside down: it is much more significantly the small percentage of time driving tight maneuvers, in situations where one must act quickly to get of the way (like you described above), or in any kind of emergency which determine how well a control functions in the real world, in real driving. How instinctively they fall to hand, how they instill confidence through reliable feedback. By these metrics, the new controls are utterly horrid. No amount of fealty to Musk, nor absurd justifications are meaningful—the new controls just suck.
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MarcG
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It is. Just highlighting the fact that you don’t need to use the screen (or theoretical gear stalk) to tell the car to go to park, it will just do it on its own given the actions I described above.
I’ve been driving without a gear stalk for 6 months now (and over 7,000 miles) and haven’t missed it at all. What I dearly missed was the signal stalk for signaling, high beams, and windshield wipers, as well as a real horn. Not to mention a round steering wheel for maneuvering in the city and the race track.
Tesla might be bringing native normal steering wheel to Yoke cars, no mention of Stalks, source:
electrek.co
If they go the "cheap way" and share parts with 3/Y then we get stalks, if they make brand new round wheel with the Yoke's awful buttons then our only hope is OP and the two companies he worked with
I ordered a Rivian last week, no stalks & round wheel - no buy, Tesla got time until I can convert my deposit to a purchase but as the above picture shows ... little to no faith that it will come to be
Tesla might be cracking on the yoke steering wheel and planning to offer an option for a regular round wheel
When Tesla introduced the controversial yoke steering wheel, CEO Elon Musk surprised many when he said that the automaker didn’t...
electrek.co
If they go the "cheap way" and share parts with 3/Y then we get stalks, if they make brand new round wheel with the Yoke's awful buttons then our only hope is OP and the two companies he worked with
I ordered a Rivian last week, no stalks & round wheel - no buy, Tesla got time until I can convert my deposit to a purchase but as the above picture shows ... little to no faith that it will come to be
I wouldn't be surprised that the sole existence of this thread pushed them over the edge to consider such an option. I'm quite sure, though they won't go back to stalks.
It's also possible that the whole rumor is spread just to distract aftermarket from doing the kit in production volumes with the hope that people eventually get used to it.
It's also possible that the whole rumor is spread just to distract aftermarket from doing the kit in production volumes with the hope that people eventually get used to it.
I don't think there can be an argument for the yoke (sans stalks) being better than a wheel (with stalks). However, I'd like to list some things that I like about my yoke, after 5 months of living with it:
1. Visibility of screen
2. Driving position of hands at all times (except during parking-lot maneuvers/U-turns). I love the fact there are horizontal and vertical grab-on options. The positions feel more natural and relaxing to me on the yoke. Going hand-over-hand with the yoke is awkward, but not a big deal to me because those are low-speed situations.
Those benefits were instant, no adaptation required.
The things I do not like are the usual suspects: Lack of stalks for directionals and brights, the screen-based shifting esp. when in a rush (exactly the backing-into-a-space scenario as described above or any sort of 3-point turn... you "miss" one of those shifts and it's ugly).
I'm not a DIY-er so if there's an aftermarket stalk product I'd have to pay somebody to install it, but that would be fine.
Joke is a HUGE problem when a little panic happens with the AP ON or without when a fast grip without thinking is necessary. This marketing gimmick makes sure we at least almost crash EVERY TIME when a little panic happens. Tesla "designers" are not drivers or not much smart.
And the biggest problem when driving comfortably are surely the missing stalks. Now totally forget about parking fast. If there is an option to easily swap, we'd be more than happy! <3
The fact that Tesla has serious problems with "designers" is the new UI or just the position of a side camera window on screen when signalling to turn. I just cannot watch it because the duuumb position and I even don't see it properly because I have my hand there. The great overall ergonomy has totally gone in V11.
And the biggest problem when driving comfortably are surely the missing stalks. Now totally forget about parking fast. If there is an option to easily swap, we'd be more than happy! <3
The fact that Tesla has serious problems with "designers" is the new UI or just the position of a side camera window on screen when signalling to turn. I just cannot watch it because the duuumb position and I even don't see it properly because I have my hand there. The great overall ergonomy has totally gone in V11.
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@rhuber, I am sure you are quite busy with other more important things in your life. I am looking forward to more github updates. I am ready to make this upgrade now. I had another near incident today with my stupid touchscreen gear shifter.
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Please change before May! lolTesla might be bringing native normal steering wheel to Yoke cars, no mention of Stalks, source:
View attachment 774050Tesla might be cracking on the yoke steering wheel and planning to offer an option for a regular round wheel
When Tesla introduced the controversial yoke steering wheel, CEO Elon Musk surprised many when he said that the automaker didn’t...
If they go the "cheap way" and share parts with 3/Y then we get stalks, if they make brand new round wheel with the Yoke's awful buttons then our only hope is OP and the two companies he worked with
I ordered a Rivian last week, no stalks & round wheel - no buy, Tesla got time until I can convert my deposit to a purchase but as the above picture shows ... little to no faith that it will come to be
Hey folks. I know it has been long stretches of zero useful updates, but just know that there are a few things at play:
1) I always underestimate the effort required to replicate something that took me weeks, and somehow think you can just throw it together and it isn't hard. If I had released my work without some refinement, it would have probably been a minor disaster of people trying to work off of seat-of-the-pants engineering.
2) My day job is busy as f---, and I just can't touch this stuff most days, much as I'd love to.
All those excuses out of the way, check out the latest prototype "brain" (on the right, obvs) with a huge bunch of help from my friend @Quickshoe to turn my soldered up prototype into a proper pcb. His board even worked the VERY FIRST TIME it was plugged in to my car, which is mind blowing!
We are still figuring out if/how/when/what this becomes a thing people can get from (somewhere), but I still plan to release my original specs so someone could cobble together their own soldered up version like mine on the left, if they choose. Just know that it is not easy and I'll stop saying it is easy and I'm sorry I said it was easy.
But mannnnn is the one on the right nice, Right?
1) I always underestimate the effort required to replicate something that took me weeks, and somehow think you can just throw it together and it isn't hard. If I had released my work without some refinement, it would have probably been a minor disaster of people trying to work off of seat-of-the-pants engineering.
2) My day job is busy as f---, and I just can't touch this stuff most days, much as I'd love to.
All those excuses out of the way, check out the latest prototype "brain" (on the right, obvs) with a huge bunch of help from my friend @Quickshoe to turn my soldered up prototype into a proper pcb. His board even worked the VERY FIRST TIME it was plugged in to my car, which is mind blowing!
We are still figuring out if/how/when/what this becomes a thing people can get from (somewhere), but I still plan to release my original specs so someone could cobble together their own soldered up version like mine on the left, if they choose. Just know that it is not easy and I'll stop saying it is easy and I'm sorry I said it was easy.
But mannnnn is the one on the right nice, Right?
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