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The 'vision' part of Mobileye (2+years ago) and the current hardware in the Tesla AP 2.0/2.5 is perfectly capable of reading stop signs/other traffic signs/stop lights. Just not implemented currently.

Pull up the Mobileye 'Roadshow' for their IPO. Clearly they could do it, just cautious to actually implement it.

Part of the reason for the Mobileye/Tesla split was because EM wanted to push the envelop faster than Mobileye was comfortable doing.
I believe most of the reason that Tesla dumped Mobileye was strategic. Mobileye had cameras(hardware) plus an easily replicated software suite and they wanted to be able to use that to hold Tesla hostage. Big mistake, Elon decided that it made more sense to own the technology.
 
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Notice the "coincidence" between when NVDA's parabolic rise started and when Nvidia started paying dividends, as minimal as they were.

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And in Norway another great delivery day : 75 Model S/X delivered just today ! ....and counting :)
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So far 751 this month. Specially strong MS deliveries.
June '17 was strong with 851, looks like we will beat that easily.

Counter stopped at a total of 102 MS+MX deliveries in Norway for one day. Total in September now 773, with 10 more days to go. Just one more day and we are already higher than Sept '16 and June '17.
If the same is happening in the rest of Europe this could be a nice surprise Q3.
 
Tesla working with AMD on Autopilot chip: CNBC

Tesla is working with Advance Micro Devices Inc. AMD, +2.91% to produce a chip for its Autopilot, the car maker's suite of advanced driver-assistance systems, aiming to reduce Tesla's reliance on Nvidia Corp. NVDA, -1.59% according to a CBNC report that cited a source familiar with the matter. The report cited the same source saying more than 50 people are working under Jim Keller, the head of Autopilot, and Tesla has brought on several former AMD employees to work on the project, CNBC said. Tesla has developed its own ADAS software and related systems and relies on an onboard Nvidia AI "supercomputer." AMD shares rose 1.5% late Tuesday, while Tesla shares and Nvidia shares fell 0.1% and 0.6%.
 
Wrt to the Jeffries note...

Actually, much of what is in the Jeffries note is positive. They basically say that Tesla is past the risk of failure and has built a decent short term moat. They don't believe that the coming EV competition is much of a threat in the shorter term... 3 to 5 years.

Strange that they make some basic mistakes. Like thinking the base Model 3 is 60 kWh and not 54 kWh. That plays into their cost difference, where they estimate it is $3,500. That means they estimate battery costs to be $175/kWh. The actual difference is 81 kWh versus 54 kWh, which is 27 kWh. At $160/kWh, that's $4,320. They likely have the overall battery costs at least 9% high... at just over $14.2k for the LR versus $13k assuming $160/kWh, which is only a 15% reduction from Model S/X pack costs. Guidance was around 30%, but say it is actually 25%, then its $142.5/kWh at the pack level. That would be $11.5k versus $14.2k which is then a pretty massive miss.

Interestingly, they don't believe competitors will really show up with volume until after 2020.

It is strange timing... before really knowing the Model 3 ramp, right before the Tesla semi announcement. The problem is they then use the Cummings concept truck... and Cummings is not the world leader in vehicular battery shipments, vehicular large BEV motor shipments, nor large inverter shipments. Basically, in all the important and most expensive parts of a battery electric vehicle where Tesla is the world leader, Cummins is not.

Jeffries credits Tesla with short term vertical integration and battery chemistry with NCA/graphite+Si, especially with the Gigafactory as a competitive advantage in short/medium term, but then takes it away in the longer term. They give too much credit to NMC 811... See this presentation from Umicore: http://cii-resource.com/cet/AABE-03-17/Presentations/BTMT/Levasseur_Stephane.pdf

The most likely next gen battery chemistry is NMC 622, but that is locked behind NCA+Si in Wh/kg and still has higher cobalt usage which means higher costs, especially as cobalt increases in price.

They also still think that the Gigafactory 1 is a 35 GWh cell production, 50 GWh battery pack production facility at full capacity. That's incompetent.

The autonomous driving section of their report is a mess. There's almost too much wrong to comment on... do they really not understand the state of Mobileye's REM? Apparently they do not understand.

I'll have to follow up with more later....

Any indication in the report that they did a plant tour in Fremont or Sparks, or met with senior mgmt.?
 
Just read two articles, one from Electrek (https://electrek.co/2017/09/20/tesla-china-ev-sales/)and one from Bloomberg (China's Electric Switch), on Tesla sales and prospects in China. According to the Bloomberg article, China electric car sales for 2017 are estimated to be 378,000 electric cars, with Tesla accounting for 8.6 % of the sales of battery electric cars. If these numbers reflect just 100 % electric cars, this would indicate Tesla sales for 2017 are projected to be about 32,500 cars, almost three times the sales in 2016! The article says sales, so I assume cars and not cash (Tesla cars in China cost ~5 times domestic electric cars). Not clear if the 378,000 electric cars is just 100 % electric cars. Could be including plug-in hybrids. If the 378,000 electric car sales number reflects only 100 % electric cars (not stated clearly in either article), Tesla sales in China have gone through the roof.

As a follow-up to my post above, I found an article (EV-Volumes - The Electric Vehicle World Sales Database) stating that 82 % of "new electric vehicles" sold in China during H1 2017 were all electric. So the 378,000 estimate for all of 2017 in the post above would be mostly all electric cars (82 % of 378,000 gives 310,000 all electric cars expected to be sold in China in 2017. As noted above, Tesla accounts for 8.6 % of the all electric car market in 2017. Therefore, based on sales to date and projected sales for the rest of this year, Tesla will sell ~26,600 cars in China in 2017. With a little more than 11,000 Teslas sold in China in 2016, we appear to be looking at more than twice those sales in 2017. On average, that would be almost 4,000 more cars per quarter.
 
Tesla working with AMD on Autopilot chip: CNBC

Tesla is working with Advance Micro Devices Inc. AMD, +2.91% to produce a chip for its Autopilot, the car maker's suite of advanced driver-assistance systems, aiming to reduce Tesla's reliance on Nvidia Corp. NVDA, -1.59% according to a CBNC report that cited a source familiar with the matter. The report cited the same source saying more than 50 people are working under Jim Keller, the head of Autopilot, and Tesla has brought on several former AMD employees to work on the project, CNBC said. Tesla has developed its own ADAS software and related systems and relies on an onboard Nvidia AI "supercomputer." AMD shares rose 1.5% late Tuesday, while Tesla shares and Nvidia shares fell 0.1% and 0.6%.

The biggest point is this is Tesla's chip. A few years ago I had the hardest struggle allocating between NVDA and TSLA. The reason why I gave up NVDA was because I thought Tesla will develop their own AI chips. Watch out, if Tesla is determined on something, they will get it done.
 
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