insaneoctane
Well-Known Member
I'm reading these posts just rolling my eyes. If you can't justify the many benefits that the base model M3 has over the leaf for an extra $5K, why are you even in a Tesla forum?
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They made this exact same claim with the original Leaf, and 100 miles. 95% of people disagreed.
Nope, those 30 cars were sold to owners. They are currently selling to owners (highest VIN seen is around 170 I think). Now those first customers are all peoplewho were given early access to the reservation list, so are employees and major investors. Presumably people with a vested interest in reporting early bugs back to Tesla.
I can't afford a Bolt, I'll have to settle for a Model 3.
Thank you kindly.
chronopc
Active Member
If you could get a stripped down BMW 3-series for $5k more than a Corolla, most people if not everyone is going to be buying the BMW. I don't think you need to say "stripped down" BMW 3-series when comparing it to a Corolla. A Corolla is a stripped down Camry.
And we're not debating if the Leaf 2 makes sense for some people. People will definitely buy it and will enjoy it. However, people who are considering a Model 3 are probably not among those people. Think about it this way. If someone is considering a BWM 3-series and asks what are some comparable cars, is anyone else going to say, "why don't you check out the Corolla. It's just as good?"
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If you use the word 'afford' to mean money, a Bolt will be cheaper.
Loaded, before Government rebates, less that $35k.
$159/m on a 36m lease or >$6k off MSRP.
No, it's an old definition of peppy. Around 1980 I would say. I distinctly remember the early VW rabbits being called peppy, back in the late 70's at around 11 secs 0-60, so after that. Peppy inflation has taken its toll, and now anything less than a supercar would get twenty years ago is too slow to contemplate. Not that anyone ever needs to use those 0-60 times.
Thank you kindly.
There are many acceleration litmus tests. 0-60 is sort of an odd one today, but it's common.
1/4 mile traps are perhaps more useful in judging what acceleration a car is capable of. It takes most the wheelspin out of it.
11 seconds to 60 has never been referred to by rational humans as peppy, unless they've never been in a motorized transportation device before.
11 seconds to sixty pretty eliminates safe passing on a 2 lane road in anything but the best of all possible conditions.
Hot weather, altitude, more than a single 98lb occupant in the car, and perhaps even an uphill grade, leaves the 11 second vehicle as little more than a menace to themselves and other drivers.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Says a guy who hasn't heard of leasing.
>80% of Leafs are leased. My suggestion to buyers of Leaf 2 is also to lease - unless there are some special cases. Even in PNW, I leased my 2 Leafs.
So you understand there's a resource constraint.
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Regardless it's still unacceptable to you.
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What's more you'd like to see Tesla suffer despite doing the best they can pushing fast and hard.
Too bad I couldn't rate your post "Vehemently Disagree"
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Another interesting feature that has been overlooked ... V2G charging allows you to power your home with your car 
Nissan unveils 2018 next-gen Leaf with new design, more range, V2G, and more
But a new design and range increase for the same price is not all you get with this new generation.
Nissan has included a few edge features, like vehicle-to-grid capacity, which enables owners to use their car’s battery pack to power their home.
Nissan unveils 2018 next-gen Leaf with new design, more range, V2G, and more
But a new design and range increase for the same price is not all you get with this new generation.
Nissan has included a few edge features, like vehicle-to-grid capacity, which enables owners to use their car’s battery pack to power their home.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
The original leaf was already capable to that:Another interesting feature that has been overlooked ... V2G charging allows you to power your home with your car
Nissan unveils 2018 next-gen Leaf with new design, more range, V2G, and more
But a new design and range increase for the same price is not all you get with this new generation.
Nissan has included a few edge features, like vehicle-to-grid capacity, which enables owners to use their car’s battery pack to power their home.
Green Car Congress: Nissan to launch the “LEAF to Home” V2H power supply system with Nichicon “EV Power Station” in June
chronopc
Active Member
Not only is this feature really unnecessary, but since Nissan decided to go with a small battery pack it would be pretty much useless for people who did want to use it. With 150 miles range, by the time you drive home you're not going to have energy to be able to do anything.Another interesting feature that has been overlooked ... V2G charging allows you to power your home with your car
Nissan unveils 2018 next-gen Leaf with new design, more range, V2G, and more
But a new design and range increase for the same price is not all you get with this new generation.
Nissan has included a few edge features, like vehicle-to-grid capacity, which enables owners to use their car’s battery pack to power their home.
chronopc
Active Member
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
About as frequently as all the people who buy generators or Tesla PowerWalls as a back-up during a power outage.
And a bit more 'out there,' I want to build an off-grid home and the ~ 60 kWh odd battery in my future Model 3 seemed like a great component I could integrate into the home system ad-hoc when needed to act as both energy sink and source.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Not really ... the average commute would allow significant power transfer with over 100 miles of range remaining during a power outage.
mmd
Active Member
There you have the reason why Elon axed it: To sell Powerwalls
40 KWh is plenty of energy. Can run 4 led light bulbs and a fan 5 hours each day for ~3 months! If a home has two of these cars, more!
But I'm doubtful that it will be available in US version. This
chronopc
Active Member
You would only get this in ideal conditions. When you charge to 100% and drive efficiently. That is going to accelerate your battery degradation.Not really ... the average commute would allow significant power transfer with over 100 miles of range remaining during a power outage.
There's been exactly 1 power outage at my house that lasted a whole 15 minutes in the last 30 years.
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chronopc
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