2019.8.3 First release of traffic light detection?

[Eno Deb]

I'm confused--what roads/highways am I currently 'allowed' to use EAP on that have stoplights??

According to the manual it's "officially" allowed on limited access roads. Here in the Bay Area we have a number of expressways that have intersections (and EAP can be used on them without speed restriction). Personally I only use EAP on these if there's stop-and-go traffic though. I won't trust automatic traffic light recognition anytime soon ...

 

[aronth5]

Absolutely 100% first FSD release. Achieves 2 things: early proof of concept AND Tesla can now “realize” all the FSD $$$ they collected (especially in the recent FSD “fire sale”) on their first quarter 2019 balance sheet to offset slower S and X sales

This is certainly a pessimistic view.

 

[SPIKE's M3AWD]

I have an M3 with EAP. Just updated to 8.3.
I will be driving around town tomorrow and will report back on how well it handles red stop light detection.

 

[Az_Rael]

I have an M3 with EAP. Just updated to 8.3.
Will report back tomorrow on red stop light detection.

Was it in the release notes?

 

[SPIKE's M3AWD]

Was it in the release notes?

Yes. Release notes show Peak Power Increase & Autopilot Stoplight Detection.

Holding out on FSD until it is launched. Then again I might buy it for $2K if they offer it again.

 

[S4WRXTTCS]

Yes. Release notes show Peak Power Increase & Autopilot Stoplight Detection.

Holding out on FSD until it is launched. Then again I might buy it for $2K if they offer it again.

Are you part of the Early Access Program?

 

[Kuhz]

Yes. Release notes show Peak Power Increase & Autopilot Stoplight Detection.

Holding out on FSD until it is launched. Then again I might buy it for $2K if they offer it again.

Hm so it’s part of EAP since you don’t have FSD?

 

[run-the-joules]

Hm so it’s part of EAP since you don’t have FSD?

My theory: everyone will get stoplight detection and “don’t run the red, asshat” alerts. Only FSD and possibly EAP gets traffic light *action*, and not until it’s got a lot more testing.

 

[MP3Mike]

This is a safety feature and as such will most likely be rolled out to all cars with the proper hardware. (AP 2.0)

Is says right in the release notes that it only works while Autosteer is active.

 

[Economite]

Well, that is an interesting question. Maybe this technically only applies to when a limited access freeway ends and converts to a highway with stop lights?


Will be interesting to see the user manual update associated with this release. I am sure it will be full of “don’t use AP except on highways, but if you do choose to use it on city streets, we might still warn you about running red lights. Wink, wink”

This is probably what Tesla will do, and even by Tesla's past practice standards, releasing an AP feature that can only be used in circumstance where they say AP should not be used is insanely cynical.

 

[conman]

Yes. I did the FSD update for $2K.

I actually received an email to join the early release program about 3 or 4 months ago, but this was the first beta firmware version i’ve received since then.

I don't suppose you're aware that by agreeing to the early access program you were not supposed to be showing us this, nor talking about it?

 

[dmurphy]

This is certainly a pessimistic view.

Why is that pessimistic? It appears to me to satisfy the accounting rules to recognize FSD revenue. FSD is delivered - even though it's a small piece - and that would allow all of the liabilities to come off the books for the FSD deposits put down and recognize those dollars as net income.

That may make the difference between a loss and a profit this quarter - and if I were Elon, I'd be shooting for a blowout quarter just to shut people the hell up.

 

[aronth5]

Why is that pessimistic? It appears to me to satisfy the accounting rules to recognize FSD revenue. FSD is delivered - even though it's a small piece - and that would allow all of the liabilities to come off the books for the FSD deposits put down and recognize those dollars as net income.

That may make the difference between a loss and a profit this quarter - and if I were Elon, I'd be shooting for a blowout quarter just to shut people the hell up.

How is a potential warning, whether audible or on the screen enough functionality to be considered FSD to satisfy accounting rules?

 

[dmurphy]

How is a potential warning, whether audible or on the screen enough functionality to be considered FSD to satisfy accounting rules?

Reading stoplights? That wasn't a function of EAP, and is a function defined under FSD description now.

I admit it's weak, but I'm sure a creative accountant can make it work.

 

[diplomat33]

The way it works now, "autosteer stop light warning" is a safety feature that would not be FSD. However, it is clearly related to traffic light recognition which is listed under FSD. Maybe "autosteer stop light warning" will stay as a EAP feature but when it matures to being able to stop the car at a red light, that part of the feature will be FSD only?

 

[diplomat33]

It is also worth noting that EAP is already getting features that we know Tesla has put under FSD (NOA without confirmation, Auto Park and Enhanced Summon). So it is entirely possible that Tesla considers "autosteer stop light warning" to be a FSD feature since it is so closely related to traffic light recognition but that EAP will get it too. I would imagine the new basic AP will not get "autosteer stop light warning".

 

[Vitold]

For consistency reasons stop light recognition/warnings should to be included at all AP versions.

Actually Tesla should make it part of AEB package.

 

[bedoig]

How is a potential warning, whether audible or on the screen enough functionality to be considered FSD to satisfy accounting rules?

It's not. It does not satisfy Tesla's performance obligation. Maybe you could argue for recognizing a very small portion. Of course, Tesla has also never been clear on what exactly they're selling, so I'm sure the whole thing is a lot of fun for their accountants and auditors.

 

[MelaniainLA]

It is also worth noting that EAP is already getting features that we know Tesla has put under FSD (NOA without confirmation, Auto Park and Enhanced Summon). So it is entirely possible that Tesla considers "autosteer stop light warning" to be a FSD feature since it is so closely related to traffic light recognition but that EAP will get it too. I would imagine the new basic AP will not get "autosteer stop light warning".

Is there any video out there showing NOA without confirmation?

 

[diplomat33]

Is there any video out there showing NOA without confirmation?

Not that I am aware of.