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The Fremont RWD Y with vin 7SAYGDED9PF907474 does not have an LFP pack. The 7th digit is the fuel type. E is for lithium ion and F is LFP. I think it is more likely to be a 55-60 kwh pack consisting of 4680 cells. The AWD Y standard range pack used 4680s with a capacity of 67.6 kwh and charges at up to 200kw (according to Tesla's specs page before it was discontinued). The lower charging speed on the RWD Y and weight is consistent with there being fewer cells.I test drove a white RWD Y at the Fremont Sales Center on Monday. Unless you absolutely need to do freeway launches 24/7, it's plenty. It's just not an MYP or MYLR. Since I'm coming from an S85 RWD, it's about the same, fast enough and faster than 9.5 out of 10 ICEs. If you want performance, get the MYP. I'm getting this for the LFP battery pack which will last longer and I won't have to baby. The LR has 330 miles of range but that drops fast and you have to baby it.
BTW, the VIN was 7SAYGDED9PF907474 (Fremont build, Single motor). Also the Additional Vehicle Information page did not even have a High voltage battery type line. Otherwise, Ryzen, 2G/3G/4G, Permanent magnet. I didn't check whether it had Matrix.
Sad about no LFP, but more importantly, what motor does it have? Just the piddly little 6.9 second 0 - 60 one, or the bigger 5.9 second jobbie?The Fremont RWD Y with vin 7SAYGDED9PF907474 does not have an LFP pack. The 7th digit is the fuel type. E is for lithium ion and F is LFP. I think it is more likely to be a 55-60 kwh pack consisting of 4680 cells. The AWD Y standard range pack used 4680s with a capacity of 67.6 kwh and charges at up to 200kw (according to Tesla's specs page before it was discontinued). The lower charging speed on the RWD Y and weight is consistent with there being fewer cells.
Model Y vin decoder: https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/fbec7f77-5e2b-4d06-b46c-267e7327c2ff
According to EPA documents, it has a 198 kW motor. See page 19 here: https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=58042&flag=1Sad about no LFP, but more importantly, what motor does it have? Just the piddly little 6.9 second 0 - 60 one, or the bigger 5.9 second jobbie?
Model 3 Long Range AWD | 98 and 195 kW AC 3-Phase |
Model 3 Performance AWD | 131 and 190 kW AC 3-Phase |
Model 3 RWD | 192 kW AC 3-Phase |
Model Y AWD | 91 and 200 kW AC 3-Phase |
Model Y Long Range AWD | 91 and 200 kW AC 3-Phase |
Model Y Performance AWD | 133 and 179 kW AC 3-Phase |
Model Y RWD | 198 kW AC 3-Phase |
It’s not clear to me how you drew that conclusion from that article…It seems like Tesla is dumping the leftover Fremont made 1st gen 4680s into the low spec RWD Model Ys.
This Could Be the Reason Why Tesla Removed the 4680-Cell Model Y From Its Website
Insider information shows that Tesla will close its Kato Road battery facility to prepare the production line for the second-generation 4680 cellswww.autoevolution.com
If the RWD has an LFP battery as I'm led to believe, you should get the full 260 miles as Tesla encourages owners to charge them to 100%. OTOH the LR has 2170 NMC batteries, they recommend charging NMC to 80% for daily use, which would result in 264 miles (330x80%). So the effective range for daily use is basically the same for the RWD and the LR. LFP batteries are good for more cycles so they will last longer, and there is less risk of a thermal runway compared to NMC - but I am not saying NMC is risky. The only advantage to the LR is you could occasionally charge close to 100% to get longer stints on road trips if desired. There are reports the LFP battery initial degradation is faster than NMC, but that slows for both chemistries, and the LFP will actually last longer in the end.That’s not good. Does anyone think the RWD with 2170 is a good deal compared to the LR + AWD for 5K more. The effective daily range with RWD is then 260-20% = 208, which is practically about 150mi or less on bad weather days assuming you want to arrive at the destination with at least 10%. To top that the car will charge slower than the AWD.
It’s not clear to me how you drew that conclusion from that article…
4680 cells aren't bad and the form factor was never expected to come bearing breakthroughs in energy density or chemistry, alone. Rather, it was primarily for improving cost and manufacturing. For longevity, 2170s were already modeled/expected to last 300-500k miles in existing packs, while 4680s were claimed to be capable of achieving 1M mile per pack. Gen 2 4680s are expected to have a 10% volumetric energy density improvement over gen 1, according to the reveal at the latest earnings call.4680 is a deal breaker for me
They only used 4680 cells for the short lived standard range dual motor MY (279 mile range IIRC). There isn’t a MY with 4680’s on offer now."The Model Y uses the first-generation 4680 cells, which are not a good fit for the Cybertruck."
Right, speaking of the now-discontinued Model Y AWD."The Model Y uses the first-generation 4680 cells, which are not a good fit for the Cybertruck."
2170 is a deal breaker for me.
4680 is a deal breaker for me
Yes, the new Model Y RWD at Fremont doesn't have CATL LFP cells because it has 2170 cells but the VIN you mentioned doesn't actually prove no LFP because it is a 2023 model year VIN and in 2023 Digit 7 doesn't have E, and F versions. It shows only E for all 2023 model year Teslas, including the Model 3 SR RWD at Fremont which uses CATL LFP cells. See the 2023 decoder here: https://cdn.motor1.com/pdf-files/tesla-my2023-vin-decoder.pdfThe Fremont RWD Y with vin 7SAYGDED9PF907474 does not have an LFP pack. The 7th digit is the fuel type. E is for lithium ion and F is LFP.
You keep saying this like it’s settled fact. What is your source?Yes, the new Model Y RWD at Fremont doesn't have CATL LFP cells because it has 2170 cells
I just read somewhere (Electrek?) that starting with the 2024 models, it will indicate in the VIN whether the car has an LFP or LIO battery. Ths implies they aren't doing this yet.Yes, the new Model Y RWD at Fremont doesn't have CATL LFP cells because it has 2170 cells but the VIN you mentioned doesn't actually prove no LFP because it is a 2023 model year VIN and in 2023 Digit 7 doesn't have E, and F versions. It shows only E for all 2023 model year Teslas, including the Model 3 SR RWD at Fremont which uses CATL LFP cells. See the 2023 decoder here: https://cdn.motor1.com/pdf-files/tesla-my2023-vin-decoder.pdf
Digit 10 in the VIN you mentioned is P which means 2023. R means 2024 but Tesla hasn't started using that yet. We will find out about LFP or non-LFP from Digit 7 for the first time when Tesla switches production to the 2024 model year probably in a few days.
We haven't seen anyone post about getting a 2024 VIN yet. So, not sure if battery type will be included In it.I just read somewhere (Electrek?) that starting with the 2024 models, it will indicate in the VIN whether the car has an LFP or LIO battery. Ths implies they aren't doing this yet.
We haven't seen anyone post about getting a 2024 VIN yet. So, not sure if battery type will be included In it.