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2024 Model 3 Performance Announced - Discussion thread post announcement
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Jeremy3292
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I’m waiting til December to purchase myself (discounts likely then also) bc I’m expecting 19” wheels to be coming out at some point. They were already leaked in the parts catalog. I would maybe ignore the 20” rims if they came with all season tires as the ride is supposed to be soooo much better you might not notice the 20” rims anymore.
Jeremy3292
Active Member
Maybe, but I’m ignoring all driving habits in this discussion, e.g. you smash the accelerator more in P vs a LR and therefore use more battery. That’s a user variable not a car variable. So even if the rear motor is more powerful, it would only “lose range” by user input not standing alone on its face. Unless of course it always is drawing more power, but Tesla usually allows cars to be efficient unless the user requests otherwise in their inputs (smashing the pedal).
I could be wrong but I imagine both are just running off the more efficient rear motor (vs induction front motor) most of the time. I’m sure the M3P is less efficient by technical standards, but not 50+ miles less efficient.
In fact the miles delta between the LR and the P is almost the same amount of miles it was in prior generations. And the prior generations basically had the same everything other than different wheels (same Panasonic 82 kWh battery pack).
BigNick
Infamous Fat Sweaty Guy
It is quite possible that is the case and that 2.9 is rounded down from 2.94 but 3.1 is rounded up from 3.05, making the disparity seem larger.
But assuming an exact 2.90000 seconds for 0-60, 2.9 divided by 60 then multiplied by 6.21 gives 3.0015 which I would think would be advertised as 3.0 rather than 3.1.
Cars drive on asphalt, not paper or calculators, so Dragy and/or timeslips will show the true difference between Panasonic and LG pack equipped cars. Unfortunately, there's another set of variables that Dragy doesn't record: state of charge and battery temperatures. There will always be some mud in the water.
The 4D2 rear motor in the M3P is 3% less efficient than the 3D1/3D7 in the LR and the wider rear tyres have greater rolling resistance.
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Midnightsun
Active Member
I realize the M3 is a smaller lighter car however with twice the horsepower in the Plaid, I do not see it coming even close to Plaid numbers. 510hp vs 1020hp is huge. Will likely be a little faster from 0-60 in comparison to the MS LR but the MS will still take it in the long run with around 170hp more on tap.
Midnightsun
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Sellout
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And the reality is Tesla seems to be deliberately limiting the MSLR down low. It would probably be capable of mid 2s, but they probably wanted to keep some distance from the Plaid.
This is a power curve I generated for an MXLR. The front motor, which should theoretically be just as capable as the rear) is limited a fair bit. Not hitting the 670hp until well above 60 mph.
Even normalizing for RPM, that front motor is being gimped a fair bit
model 3 on the other hand seems to be running both motors at max. And the front is still induction. So the power will still taper considerably.
If the prev performance averages 11.5s 1/4 mile run, then my WAG for the new model would be between 10.5-11s depending on the >60mph throughput. I would hope they have been able to get it <= 11, at least. Seems we can assume that 11.3s would be the worst case based solely on the 0.2s difference off the line.
Midnightsun
Active Member
I will never see anything over 130mph with my driving style however for the record, only the newer MS got clipped to 130. My 2022 apparently still does 150.
cptnslo
Member
Not if you have earlier year MS. The 21-23 are still good to 149
Any insight on why the M3P is only available with summer tires but if you click on “learn more” it shows all three options. It wouldn’t make sense to ship a car with summer tires to the North East region.
Jeremy3292
Active Member
It definitely doesn’t make sense, but they’ve been doing it for the MS Plaid for awhile now. Pretty annoying IMO. I’m in SC and can’t run summer tires year end. Per my Googling it is extremely dangerous under 40F and shouldn’t be done at all.
Yep. I was annoyed to see summer only as well. I budgeted for no tax incentive so I don't mind getting a 2nd set of wheels with winter tires. It's probably for the better since I can go down to 19s to slightly help offset the efficiency loss of winter.
Sellout
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Obviously. The thing is that OEM's don't generally seem to market their new cars against the used-market examples of their own pricier options...
I mean, I thought it was rather obvious that the discussion I was responding to was around the idea that Tesla themselves are the reason we don't have 1/4mi ET and trap speed in any of the videos:
Last week I got into a pretty bad accident in my 23' M3P. Insurance is chalking it up as a total loss and still waiting for the settlement. In the meantime, I placed my order, stealth grey with a white interior! I hope May-June is realistic because I will have to get a rental until delivery. I don't want to have to get a RWD if the date keeps getting pushed back. There are plenty of RWD models in inventory.
zoomer0056
Active Member
I'm always interested in how accidents happen. Do you mind giving some detail?
What do you mean how do accidents happen? Either one driver or the other driver wasn't paying attention, and two hunks of metal hit each other
