Well LKA on the eniro I quoted did not bounce in the lane for me and was perfectly able to drive most of the journey on motorways and country roads, it was smooth. The Tesla is smooth but it just tries to do more but cant quite get it right yet.
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4 months left in 2020 to make a Tesla FSD on city streets
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Well LKA on the eniro I quoted did not bounce in the lane for me and was perfectly able to drive most of the journey on motorways and country roads, it was smooth. The Tesla is smooth but it just tries to do more but cant quite get it right yet.
Knightshade
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On what basis do you conclude 5G is going to be relevant? 0 teslas today have the HW for it, I've seen no mention in any bit of code related to it among those with access to said code (Green for example), and having cars that individually learn would be a nightmare for troubleshooting anything.
Except, no, it doesn't.
You can drive around in a base SR that doesn't even have autopilot (let alone FSD) and it can still collect all that campaign data just as easily.
Fernand
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So, we're at in inflection in the Tesla trust curve?
I've always treated FSD as an assist, which I find very helpful in NOA on freeways where I need it most. And now it's gradually doing more on city streets, not always for the better. For whatever reason, I've not been plagued with "phantom breaking" - the phantoms haven't broken my car into pieces, or even slammed the brakes.
I chose to be involved with this revolutionary moving target AI - Robotics project. People who expect final solutions shouldn't. The automation in a Tesla isn't just AP, and I like all of it. Elon is right to keep his eyes on long term objectives that haven't been done yet.
The unpredictability of dense city driving makes L5 autonomy so difficult that it may never be practical at a near-zero kill rate with 2020 technology.
But I've seen it handle really messy multi-lane 1 MPH freeway entrance merges surprisingly well.
The value to Tesla of autonomous "RoboTaxis" would be huge. But for me? Not much at all.
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I've always treated FSD as an assist, which I find very helpful in NOA on freeways where I need it most. And now it's gradually doing more on city streets, not always for the better. For whatever reason, I've not been plagued with "phantom breaking" - the phantoms haven't broken my car into pieces, or even slammed the brakes.
I chose to be involved with this revolutionary moving target AI - Robotics project. People who expect final solutions shouldn't. The automation in a Tesla isn't just AP, and I like all of it. Elon is right to keep his eyes on long term objectives that haven't been done yet.
The unpredictability of dense city driving makes L5 autonomy so difficult that it may never be practical at a near-zero kill rate with 2020 technology.
But I've seen it handle really messy multi-lane 1 MPH freeway entrance merges surprisingly well.
The value to Tesla of autonomous "RoboTaxis" would be huge. But for me? Not much at all.
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EHhhhh
FSD is too expensive now for what it does
you know how many tesla stocks I can buy with 8K???
FSD is too expensive now for what it does
you know how many tesla stocks I can buy with 8K???
Knightshade
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I tell people to save their money and dont buy.
Its not worth it. I bought AP when it was 3k last year before they started including it.
I wasted my money. Without auto lane change AP sucks imo. I hardly use it.
Yet many still believe in the dream coming real in a few months.
Its not worth it. I bought AP when it was 3k last year before they started including it.
I wasted my money. Without auto lane change AP sucks imo. I hardly use it.
Yet many still believe in the dream coming real in a few months.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Well I am not a shareholder just an owner of a model 3. I have my doubts at a large drop as Tesla are on the up on multiple technology fronts, cars, solar, storage and soon it seems maybe electricity supplier and insurance??. I suppose if they were to let this kind of quality control with the cars go on and went another year with no FSD fruit maybe. But overall the cars are well received it just depends on how much tolerance you have. I mean on this 2020 subject it seems most don't believe in it by years end but believe it will be achieved in the coming years. Constant retro fitting of hardware would probably be needed for which I suppose FSD customers have pre paid for if the software is worth less. Evidence is there with AP2 to AP3 upgrades, Tesla are trying not to leave long term owners behind. So there is a lot of good will in there. I think as testers AP should not be put further out of reach making it more expensive when clearly its not as good as other cars in some area's. Like with auto parking, very limited summon its more expensive now and has been left for years. Granted in the EU its been hurt / limited but did they do that because it wasnt ready for prime time? Damn this is a hard choice to make personally right now. Especially when my complaint has been upheld and I can part ways with mine and reset with no loss. Honestly in the EV space its not exactly like you can get a better overall car. All other cars turn up on the market atm with a OK that is good. Not a full on battery day epic show where the world tunes in and says hell yea for 1 hour, the internet goes nuts, super car records are broken and actually makes EV's popular. I have that faith with SpaceX they are going to mars and make things there with such quality an vision like I have never seen. Model 3 probably costs as much as a grid fin there though lol.
I think the share price probably will go up again. As long as the service centres keep good coffee stocks.
Why do these threads always devolve into 90% of the posts saying "FSD is a waste of money" and the "horse and buggy I drove last week performed better"?
There are plenty of other threads where you can go complain about FSD. The subject of this one is if FSD will be feature complete in 4 months. Based on Elon's definition, feature complete basically means a car that can perform the following at least some of the time:
1) Navigate out of a parking spot
2) Turn on city roads
3) Lane keep on city roads and highways
4) Navigate highway entrance/exit ramps
4) Stop at stop signs and lights
5) Park itself
All of these items except #2 are already feature complete. It's not perfect and doesn't work 100% of the time, but it does work most of the time. And yes, it still requires driver monitoring.
So if all the FSD team needs to do is accurately make turns at intersections >0% of the time, then I could see that happening by the end of the year.
There are plenty of other threads where you can go complain about FSD. The subject of this one is if FSD will be feature complete in 4 months. Based on Elon's definition, feature complete basically means a car that can perform the following at least some of the time:
1) Navigate out of a parking spot
2) Turn on city roads
3) Lane keep on city roads and highways
4) Navigate highway entrance/exit ramps
4) Stop at stop signs and lights
5) Park itself
All of these items except #2 are already feature complete. It's not perfect and doesn't work 100% of the time, but it does work most of the time. And yes, it still requires driver monitoring.
So if all the FSD team needs to do is accurately make turns at intersections >0% of the time, then I could see that happening by the end of the year.
full FSD in 2020?!?... I needed a good laugh, thanks!
I purchased FSD and as time goes on, the further I believe FSD (Level 5) is from reality. If they ever do figure it out, Tesla is going to need to retrofit a lot of cars with whatever upgraded tech is necessary.
I purchased FSD and as time goes on, the further I believe FSD (Level 5) is from reality. If they ever do figure it out, Tesla is going to need to retrofit a lot of cars with whatever upgraded tech is necessary.
Fernand
Active Member
Because the majority of Tesla owners 1) like their cars and 2) have better things to do than find threads to bitch and ruminate in. What we get here are the scholastics, the literalists, the residual buyer's remorse cases, the doubters. And even some chronic malcontents
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Just redefine what "working FSD on city streets" means, and it's a shoo-in for 2020!
Fernand
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Fernand
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I have never questioned the ability of the car to achieve this list. It's a waste of money to me because the government isn't going to sign off on this stuff. Heck even in Germany right now they're cracking down on Tesla for how we operate our windshield wipers.
Don't underestimate the government. They won't allow it, but if somehow they do, one accident will put us back at ground zero.
Knightshade
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Which "government"? Which "stuff"?
In the US if it's L2 it's already allowed everywhere they just haven't rolled out the last feature yet (handling turns)
If it's higher it's already allowed in a bunch of US states though certainly not all of em- just nobody actually sells a car that does it yet.
The EU is far more restrictive though
...even with the split? ...not a lot...practically useless...fsd would be better buy by comparison.
Even with the split
you'll gain more after 5 years when you pull that stock out (if you wish)
then to sell the car and get maybe 2K to 3K over non-FSD after spending 8K
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