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Joe F
Disruption is hard.
But to take a step back: I do think it is possible some of this is just software. More robust winter testing might allow Tesla to adjust their radar software in future updates to better account for snow. I'm not trying to sound hopeful, more like trying to cover all the bases. It seem possible. That said, I'm just wildly speculating - I have no insight into this.
OK, here is the finished copy of Buttershrimp's Snow Fail Video.... warning.... lack of autopilot is astounding.
Am I the only one bothered by this employee breaking Tesla customer privacy this way by discussing the owner status of forum participants with third parties? I know Tesla reads the forums and sometimes reaches out to owners if they are having an issue. But at least they contact the owner directly so there is no privacy violation. Here the employee chooses to share information about someone else. Not cool. (Unless AR gave consent of course)
Well, that @calisnow is probably banned now because he took that sort of thing too far... If someone doesn't feel comfortable disclosing info on themselves, it is what it is, the internet is a weird place and you can't blame people for that sort of thing (this likely doesn't apply to Bladerskb of course because it's an insult fest whenever there is a post). meanwhile, I'm happy to keep posting incrimiminating videos of myself driving in the snow... which is likely to come back to haunt me when I apply to my career at Uber when they've seen that my latest video sucks.
AFAIK Tesla only confirmed I'm real based on my self-posted reservation number, to someone with contacts, long long time ago, nothing more. I'm personally OK with that specific old scenario and circumstance. 
In general I agree customers need to remain private of course.
More importantly I think Tesla's tendency or even eagerness to discuss customer logs with press has IMO been troubling in crash incidents. That is something I think Tesla might be wise to rethink. Privacy is one thing, but a car company eager to take a side and a public stance on your crash might become a real legal and financial issue to customers, endangering legal defences etc... At some point customers may start noticing.
In general I agree customers need to remain private of course.More importantly I think Tesla's tendency or even eagerness to discuss customer logs with press has IMO been troubling in crash incidents. That is something I think Tesla might be wise to rethink. Privacy is one thing, but a car company eager to take a side and a public stance on your crash might become a real legal and financial issue to customers, endangering legal defences etc... At some point customers may start noticing.
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I remember how on a return trip from the Alps AP wouldn't want to engage. After 50km or so, I pulled over and noticed indeed a heap of ice/snow covering the radar (AP1/pre-refresh). It may have to become part of our future ritual to check that if we want to use EAP and/or (whenever it comes) FSD. A bit like the pre-takeoff checklists aviators need to use every time.
I think the problem here is worse, though. AP1 Model S has an exposed radar able to heat its cover. There the problem is more about getting started for the day. With AP2 (and Model X AP1) cleaning the bumper does not help as much because the snow comes back during driving and there is no way to heat the bumper behind which the radar sits.
Hopefully Tesla can address this through software.
Well, not heating the snow of course, but making the radar algorithms more robust against snow interference - if that is possible.
Look @oktane we know you hate Tesla, and okay so Mercedes has their fancy Kaltkanal, but please don't make it sound like Tesla does not have its own cold weather testing facilities too.
Tesla is a bit secretive, so no fancy YouTubes, but someone did manage to sneak a photo where Tesla tests AP2 radar. Pedestrian tests in cold weather ongoing:
Not sure...
I do think this is a likely scenario at some point, at least for the most important cameras and radar... I'd like to see them model some sort of equivalent to blinking where maybe the camera sits inside a half glass ball and rotates to pry off debris... I'm sure they've thought of this idea before, but still would be interesting.Or use a wiper in front of the radar perhaps?
Similar to these headlamp wipers:
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Or use a wiper in front of the radar perhaps?
Similar to these headlamp wipers:
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Now that's just mean @bjornb.
Our California Teslas don't even have headlamp washers.
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