I also wonder how this statue applies when the parking is on private property....I assume the Tesla SC's are all considered private property, so would be interesting how the police would deal with it.
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Arizona Superchargers (location speculation, discussion)
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I also wonder how this statue applies when the parking is on private property....I assume the Tesla SC's are all considered private property, so would be interesting how the police would deal with it.
This is peripheral to the present portion of the thread, but I have noticed that by statute, EVs are allowed on Arizona's HOV lanes only with the same stickers. That's of little consequence to me when I'm in this state, as we almost invariably drive with the other requisite two persons in the vehicle; regardless, as written the statute is chauvinistically intrastatal.....
Most officers are good guys who will err on the side of reason. The cops that I know have indicated that they consider the 'intent' of a statute when there is a question of applicability. The other realities are that this statute is rather obscure, not likely to very well known by officers, and most police officers don't go looking for minor infractions on private property.
Handicapped parking spots are also on private property yet receive the full protection of the law. I believe EV parking falls under the same umbrella.
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There must be some demarcation on a vehicle noting that it is an alternative fuel vehicle. Certainly we cannot expect a highway patrol officer to carry a list of EVs with him/her in order to know which out of state cars not to ticket? By the same token, in California you need a special sticker to use the HOV lane. As a resident of Arizona with Arizona EV plates, I cannot use the HOV lane in California because I lack the stickers issued by the State of California even though I have Arizona EV plates that give me the right to use HOV in my home state. I would never imagine using the HOV lane in another state because each state has its own set of laws governing who can access those lanes.
I see your point, Amped. Do you see mine?
A LOT of drivers regularly operate their vehicles in more than one state. Consider the commuter - say, someone from New Jersey driving to New York, or Virginia to D.C. If these operators cannot make use of HOV lanes outside their state-of-registration, that may represent a compelling reason NOT to purchase an alternative fuel vehicle. Consider the situation in Arizona: a LOT of the state's economy is propelled by snowbirders (Guilty, your honor.....
). If the HOV regs. are such as you suggest, that will, I can argue, provide some winter home-seekers to purchase their winter retreat in the state (a Texas or New Mexico or Florida) that does not impose such restrictions.
Just a few thoughts....
By the way, we were pulled over the other day when driving in Scottsdale. Traffic control did not appreciate the minuscule so-called temporary registration TMInc supplied us and had us affix to the rear window. He let us off, but claimed TM Inc. is not in the right....
A LOT of drivers regularly operate their vehicles in more than one state. Consider the commuter - say, someone from New Jersey driving to New York, or Virginia to D.C. If these operators cannot make use of HOV lanes outside their state-of-registration, that may represent a compelling reason NOT to purchase an alternative fuel vehicle. Consider the situation in Arizona: a LOT of the state's economy is propelled by snowbirders (Guilty, your honor.....
). If the HOV regs. are such as you suggest, that will, I can argue, provide some winter home-seekers to purchase their winter retreat in the state (a Texas or New Mexico or Florida) that does not impose such restrictions. Just a few thoughts....
By the way, we were pulled over the other day when driving in Scottsdale. Traffic control did not appreciate the minuscule so-called temporary registration TMInc supplied us and had us affix to the rear window. He let us off, but claimed TM Inc. is not in the right....
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there are seperate threads for Flagstaff and Kingman with pics of construction. Last pics were posted late last week, and Flagstaff looks fairly far along -- it could be open by Christmas. Kingman appears a week or so behind.
i really wish a mod would merger those threads into this one... Would be easier to follow...
I see your point, Amped. Do you see mine?
A LOT of drivers regularly operate their vehicles in more than one state. Consider the commuter - say, someone from New Jersey driving to New York, or Virginia to D.C. If these operators cannot make use of HOV lanes outside their state-of-registration, that may represent a compelling reason NOT to purchase an alternative fuel vehicle. Consider the situation in Arizona: a LOT of the state's economy is propelled by snowbirders (Guilty, your honor.....
Just a few thoughts....
By the way, we were pulled over the other day when driving in Scottsdale. Traffic control did not appreciate the minuscule so-called temporary registration TMInc supplied us and had us affix to the rear window. He let us off, but claimed TM Inc. is not in the right....
Oh I agree with you, but I don't think the solution is for the officer to know which cars are EVs. If you want something to work across state lines, the individual states would have to cooperate (good luck) or there would have to be some federal mandate. But then you have individual states defining "alternative fuel" in different ways, not all states give HOV lane privileges to AFVs or EVs, etc. The solution should come at the federal level, in my opinion, to make the standard uniform across the nation.
John: I've edited the original post to include links to the supercharger threads for Kingman and Flagstaff. I'll plan to add additional links as they emerge.
Awesome, thanks Mark! I thought there was one for Holbrook, though I think it's just speculative at this point?
Including the links will make it easier!
i recall some chatter about a Holbrook Supercharger at a Carl's Jr and some confirmation from the franchisee that owns the Quartzsite and Holbrook locations, but no thread yet. We probably don't have any Holbrook owners at this point and few intrepid travelers in those parts.
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Good news, Arizona Tesla owners.
The Buckeye Supercharger permit was approved today!
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The Buckeye Supercharger permit was approved today!
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I'd rather have you camp out down there and tell them it needs to be done by the 28th! I'll open a tab at Carl's for the workers if they agree to that schedule:wink:
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But still nothing happening at Gila Bend, eh?
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I pass by 4x week on the way to work. I'll snap a pic the same day shovels hit dirt.
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Great! I imagine there is exactly zero chance that they'll have it done when I'm driving between Quartzsite and Tucson this Saturday on my way to Las Cruces. But I'll still hold out hope for a Christmas miracle and maybe it will be done on the 28th for the return trip . . .
If it is, we'll meet for a burger on the 28th. I'll be heading south on that day.
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