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I can't really complain -- in principle -- about the reminders to keep my hands on the wheel. We all know we should do it without being told.
My complaint is that the alerts often appear even when I already have my hand(s) on the wheel. It works by sensing torque, so unless you apply some it won't know that you're already doing what it wants.
I do wish this could be relaxed a little. I'm comfortable enough with autosteering that I usually anticipate what it will do and know how it will behave and so I don't feel the need to constantly "fight" it. When I do (e.g., in a single, curving carpool lane between two Jersey barriers and no shoulder) I'll take over manually.
I wonder if the NTSB knows this. Recent accident narratives released by Tesla usually mention a series of "hold wheel" warnings in the minutes before the accident, implying that the driver wasn't paying attention when this might not have actually been the case.
I've said it before. If there are this many problems, complaints, and knee-jerk policy/firmware changes just from a couple of E(?)AP accidents... I seriously can't see FSD getting off the ground in the foreseeable future.
Just one fatal FSD accident, and we'll be back to steering wheel (or other) nags. Mark my words.
And yet we will start to see the first FSD Features this yearVision based FSD is 20 years or more away. It will not happen without a hardware retrofit on current model 3s.
Unfortunately a lot of people do not recognize that cars are weapons - very dangerous, because they are so common. That is why people casually drink and drive or text while driving. EAP is more dangerous than either of these when not paying attention.Irresponsible sure, but I disagree with your examples.
And yet we will start to see the first FSD Features this year
I don't think anyone thinks of driving when drunk as a personal liberty issue. No one feels there should be products on the market that can defeat breath analyzer.
Tesla AP mandates that either it's driving the car or you are, never both.
It's really a pretty horrible design compared to what you'll find in a Nissan Leaf or Rogue that lets BOTH the driver and their AP software steer the car at the same time.
The driver is always driving, AP (when on) is always suggesting.
Impossible for both to be in control unless both provide identical inputs. Car wants to go left, driver wants to go right, one wins and one isn't driving.
If you are saying it would be better to have AP not deactivate on driver input, I can see pros and cons there.
This is exactly right, but I would add that most of the discussion is not around whether the driver is in control with EAP, I think we all agree that until FSD is made available the driver is always in control and the EAP simply augments the driving capability of the car, much like cruise control in a standard vehicle.
Most of the debate is around whether the car needs to enforce driver engagement and then how it enforces this through nags.
My contention continues to be I do not need nags, nor any checks that I am driving the car properly. Cruise control in a standard car does not have nags to ensure driver engagement even though some people have fallen asleep with the cruise control set and have caused accidents (here is one new article from May 2018, but there are many instances I can cite - Mother killed, son and husband injured after driver falls asleep at the wheel on I-80 ). I am sure if all of a sudden you had to provide pressure on the throttle to make sure the car knew you were engaged in driving for cruise control many people would share my feelings about EAP nags.
I grok
Personally, non-AP cars need nags more than AP cars.
That article states that Super Cruise gives the best driver confidence, nothing about safety.I keep one hand on the wheel. But seems The Cadillac Super Cruise and Consumer Reports would disagree. CR says SC requires you keep hands off the wheel and that is best.