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Autopilot trying to kill me in V9
- Thread starter slevit1md
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Wow, this looks quite bad. It is definitely doing something VERY dangerous. People who say that AP is not for local roads are wrong. AP works extremely well on local roads. I am on AP 90% of the time and mostly on local roads, streets, etc. It works REALLY well. Except in this case, which is very scary. I would complain to Tesla and submit this to them for investigation. This could have been a fatal accident.
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
I'm going to suggest you see a psychiatrist if you think a non sentient object is trying to kill you.
I'd also suggest you let a cab take you there so hopefully your paranoia won't be triggered during the ride and you won't be the driver endangering others on the road.
You should probably not get behind the driver wheel of any car until the doctor says it's OK.
bayx
Member
If it happens again, just send a 'bug report' from your car right at that minute so there is a log. Email/Call Tesla later to inform them of the issue. If I were in your situation I would not use it on that stretch of road if there is on-coming traffic!
I don't let it swerve on that section of road - it picks different sections each time.So, how many times do you plan on swerving into oncoming traffic before you stop using AP in this particular section of the road?
You're so clever. You should be proud of yourself!
bayx
Member
My X started doing this in the summer after a July update. I took it into Tesla and they upgraded the firmware on the left camera. It's stopped that behavior.
@slevit1md, thank you for posting this! Turning into oncoming traffic just because of a small gap in the double lines is a big technological regression IMHO.
@CyVolt .......there is firmware of the cameras?
Are you sure or did you mean to say something else?
There are a lot of individual firmware for a lot of different parts on the car. FWD, cameras, etc.
I think some of them can be updated as the same time as a regular update of the car. Some others can only be done by a tech at the SC. (Or a ranger)
Is there actually any evidence that the neural network advertised by Tesla exists, and that Tesla collects data from drivers to improve their maps and AP algorithms on an ongoing basis, or is this a marketing spin?Don't know if it is automatic on all cars at all time, but I know that our Tesla's will operate in 'ghost mode' even when EAP is not activated. Meaning that they are using all camera's and sensors to learn the road at all time and improve the neural network
This is one of the main strength Tesla have on the competition for collecting driving data and improving its AI.
Interesting.......I'll have to request this, I have a ranger coming this week to the house
So I was finally able to get a video to back up my previous post. Somewhere in middle of 2nd page.
The previous time there was a truck heading right into me. This one no one. Hence I took the time to see what it did. Nothing. I finally took over.
Again. It works 99.9 percent on these type of roads. And the KEY POINT is that I've been doing this road for a year. Always on AP and it worked well but with the V9 it regressed. That's the crazy and scary part. We know it ain't perfect but you do NOT expect it to screw up something it used to do very well.
Also for comparison sakes. There are many many breaks in lines that are way longer and it does fine. Although sometimes swerved a bit but nothing like this.
And I have called, emailed, reported in car, to tesla and Nada. Just tried to call SC to see if they can force the 2018.42 upgrade but gold time is 40minutes!
The previous time there was a truck heading right into me. This one no one. Hence I took the time to see what it did. Nothing. I finally took over.
Again. It works 99.9 percent on these type of roads. And the KEY POINT is that I've been doing this road for a year. Always on AP and it worked well but with the V9 it regressed. That's the crazy and scary part. We know it ain't perfect but you do NOT expect it to screw up something it used to do very well.
Also for comparison sakes. There are many many breaks in lines that are way longer and it does fine. Although sometimes swerved a bit but nothing like this.
And I have called, emailed, reported in car, to tesla and Nada. Just tried to call SC to see if they can force the 2018.42 upgrade but gold time is 40minutes!
The shadow driving is of course mostly a bunch of triggers, not real NN learning which is done "offline", not in customer cars. But triggers are there to send some data and even video clips back to mothership. Here are some of the triggers in AP2/2.5 cars:
The separate NNs that run the AP2/2.5 system are also quite real of course. The NNs are discussed at length on the Autonomous Vehicles sub-forum:
Neural Networks
Well, we drove our 2017 MX (AP 2.5) up the coast on PCH for a few hundreds miles last week on Autopilot. We have 2018.41. There were lots of places that the lane line was broken for making left turn on the highway. I was kind of nervous every time I passed one and kept both hand on the steering wheel. Never once did the car try to go to the left or even try to sway. I was driving about 75 to 80 mph.
pdxgibby
Software Engineer
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