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Charger solution on private car parking space

Discussion in 'Hong Kong' started by ekwng, Mar 16, 2014.

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  1. markwj

    markwj Moderator, Asia Pacific

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    Check your My Tesla documents to see if you have the wall connector manual. If not, PM me and I'll send you the link. Hardware to a 16A breaker is definitely possible and cheap. Just change 13A plug to isolator switch for a hard wired solution.
     
  2. sansei

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    Thx Mark, will check and see!
     
  3. DITB

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    #143 DITB, Aug 25, 2014
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    Wall connector arrived today.

    It says 40A and EU in the specs.

    The seal was broken when I received it - is this normal? The reception signed for me, I only saw the broken seal when I went to pick it up 15 minutes later.

    UPDATE: I got a reply from TM - there are TWO serial numbers. This shipment is so important (?) that the box has it's own separate serial number. So they have to open the box to see the serial number of the unit :confused:

    SUGGESTION: I asked them why they don't have some tape made with Tesla Motors logo on. Items could have fallen out, be stolen or for other reasons - missing.

    Just like other companies, organisations and state entities often have their own tape "Sealed by Customs" or something, so you know if your bag or shipment in transit was opened, it was re-sealed by customs (or someone who has a fake roll of tape!). I am sure there would be other cases where TM Logo tape would be usable.



    Wall charger - broken seal.JPG
     
  4. CCT

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    I just noticed Tesla has updated yesterday several documents on the Model S Guides page. One of them I think is of importance to those of us who may have difficulties convincing their estate management and installing the Wall Connector at their private/rented parking space. As we know, previously we received an email about our Wall Connector delivery from a Tesla Charging Specialist. One of the attachments included in that email was called Building Manager Letter. Yesterday, they updated this letter and uploaded onto the Model S Guides section under Documents on your My Dashboard page (You might have to click 'View More' to see them).

    Previously it was a single file with the letter written in English and then Chinese. Now there are two separate files - one in Chinese (致物業管理或業主立案法團) and one in English (Letter to Property Management). However, the Chinese version now contains an important update that the English version does not contain (basically the English version hasn't been updated at all). The Chinese version says that "CLP and HKE has now promised to install sub-meters for EV owners so that users can draw electricity from public supply and be billed separately and fairly...". I think this is a significant development and shame Tesla hasn't updated the English version at the same time (they might be doing it now so for English readers you may want to check later).

    In my case, this may really convince my estate to let me install the Wall Connector and, needless to say, my ownership experience will greatly improve.
     
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    Thanks CCT for the update, I just checked and it's under the Model S Guides, but it's too late for me... I installed the wall mount charger but the cable was from my home(3/F to the car-park)...... It costs me like HKD3X,XXX for the installation fee.


     
  6. sonywong

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    I did ask HKE about installation of sub-meter in my parking space and their answer is positive. I forwarded HKE's reply to management months ago and still don't get any updates from them. So I think Tesla's documents are helpful as long as issues such as billing/availability of power are IOs/management's major concerns. If they have other concerns (I also wanna know what they are), still not enough

    I didn't follow my application with them after I took delivery and get almost 100% of my car's power from SC (mainly Hopewell which is 2km from my place).

    Now even if they approve my application and let me install in my spot, I won't do it because
    It will cost me over hkd20k for installation and another hkd20k for EV Power's EVSE if I can't use Tesla's wall connector. I don't drive over 50km a day , so charging in Hopewell every 5 or 6 days is good enough for me. Even if Hopewell charge us for parking, it's hard to justify the cost of installing EVSE in my spot.
     
  7. ThomasC

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    How long does it take you to charge from let's say 20% to 100% with the SC
     
  8. sansei

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    Wow! I really appreciate that! (though the grammar of the written Chinese is a nightmare :crying:)
     
  9. sonywong

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    Actually I go there more than once a week, so my SOC never goes below 40%. I think 20% to 80% takes less than 30 mins.
     
  10. Dan_

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    Does anyone here successfully have their charger installed in their carpark which have multiple ownership?
    Apparently the building management of where I live argued that the existing conduits leading from the meter room to the carpark is for common use, and since the carpark is not owned by one owner (e.g. Those which are still owned by the property developer), I could not use those conduits. In addition, those conduits need to be reserved for some "future expansion" (which he can't think of any at the moment). As a result, he needs me to run my own conduits to house the power cables running from the meter room which is a few floors above the carpark, and the cost is going to be tremendous! It seems that I have hit a brick wall here.. I wish if I could name him a few examples of successful cases, it could at least solve his concern over the "common use" issue.
     
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    My building management (Kerry) have worked with HK Electric Vehicles (whatever the Tesla recommended installer is) and I've been given a HK$14K quote for installation. The management has proposed that a new switchboard be installed for EV users. I'm impressed, to say the least, and this will probably sway me toward a Model X in 2 years' time rather than the new XC90 (as good as the latter looks). There's already a Model S a few bays away, which has probably accelerated things.
     
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    Kudos to Kerry Properties
     
  13. ekwng

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    Please refer to earlier posts of this thread. Usually it is almost impossible to install your own power supply in an estate public carpark due to various reasons. The common way to do it is that you install your charger, connect to the public supply, and pay back to the property management. Technically you "rent" a charger from them with power supply, your rent would cover electricity, admin and use of public space.

    Some Management companies charge reasonable rent like HK$500-1000 pm or refer to electricity usage.

    My management company decided to charge me a hefty HK$1500 pm!!!! I'm in serious dilemma whether I should take it, even after 2 year on-going efforts to push that through. At most I'll use about HK$500 of power per month, so the fuel savings gone to the management office pocket.:cursing:
     
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    I think it is worth asking them, in writing, what the charge is for. If it is for the electricity you have every right to point them to the fact that it is illegal to resell electricity. There is no reason why an owner of a property should be subject to profiteering from the management company that works for him. The government needs to legislate to make it mandatory to provide at cost charging.
     
  15. markwj

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    I think 'at cost' is fine to enforce for electricity used by the owner's own station. But, installing these stations involves (sometimes significant) capital expenditure - if that is paid for by all owners out of common funds, it should be fair to be reimbursed.
     
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    That's bad news! $1500 a month is too much. Even if it cost $1.5/kwh and your car needs 270wh/km, $1500 is good for driving over 3700km every month.

    I remember you already installed your EVSE? Otherwise, EV Power's RAS cost $1800 a month (unlimited kwh) and just $5000 setup fee. Maybe you can discuss with EV Power to see if you can switch to RAS and use what you've paid for the EVSE installation as prepaid for RAS?
     
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    #157 Vmax, Aug 26, 2014
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    I definitely would not mention a word to your management that reselling electricity is illegal. By doing so, they might just respond by rejecting any kind of installation or arrangement. You are somewhat at their mercy. To play hardball gets you nowhere.
     
  18. markwj

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    Agreed.

    That said, most ownership committees are sensitive to being accused of wasting common funds. Sensitive because that sort of things stops them getting re-elected. If they pay up-front for the installation of EV charging equipment, then it has no use because of pricing issues, it would be sensible to go back and point that out at the next owners meeting (stating that you don't use it because they are marking up the price of electricity at 300%, or so).
     
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    My management office likely only allows me to install a 13A socket, but I understand Tesla doesn't recommend using 13A as primary charging option....does anyone mainly using 13A charging now? what's the downside?

    (for me, using 13A charging overnight would be adequate to fill up my daily mileage)

    thanks!
     
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    For my case, the building management in fact did not refuse my application right away. They actually permitted the the installation of the charger, on the condition that I would need to run my own cable conduits all the way from the meter room to my parking space (compare to simply running the power cable using the existing conduits that are available). Running cable + conduits is ridiculously expensive and for my case I am guessing I would need at least $100k for the job!:cursing: If I am allowed to use the existing conduits, the price would be at least 5 times cheaper!


    I don't think my building management would opt for the monthly charge solution anyway (regardless of whether it is legal or not). Because this just means added workload for them and the money is not going into his pocket. Their philosophy is "if you do nothing, there won't be any errors" - same thinking as the HK government nowadays.



    I think if they allow you to have a 13A socket, at least you would have the infrastructure ready at your parking spot for future upgrade to the tesla charger should your building management change their mind. The downside is just slow charging, and risks of other people "stealing" your electricity from the socket for whatever reasons.
    If they allow you to install the 13A socket, does your management office place any restrictions on how you run the power cable from the power meter room to your carpark space like I do?
     

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