Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)

[McRat]

It depends on the route taken. Highway 1 hugs the coastline for most of the trip and highway 101 is a wider road (2 lanes each direction) that is a little inland. The two merge in San Luis Obispo going south.

The total altitude difference between Monterey and Santa Barbara is virtually nothing, both are just a tad above sea level.

I just skimmed the LA Times article about the drive. The reporter chose to drive highway 1 and admitted he was under 50 mph for most of the first leg to Morro Bay. He was essentially hypermiling for half the trip. By taking highway 1 he also avoided having to climb the passes on 101, which aren't high by west coast standards, but would sap more energy from a battery than sticking to the coast and lower speeds.

Do you think Model S 60 could do that drive without recharging? Would you blindly throw keyfobs to strangers 240 miles from your destination?

Do you think the Bolt will go over 200 miles on a charge? GM claimed it would.

 

[JRP3]

Model S can go 400 miles on a charge Tesla Model S Sets Unofficial Range Record at 423.5 Miles - Inside EVs
I guess since someone did it that must be the range.

 

[McRat]

Model S can go 400 miles on a charge Tesla Model S Sets Unofficial Range Record at 423.5 Miles - Inside EVs
I guess since someone did it that must be the range.

The record for distance on an electric car without charging is 12,500 miles in 2009 with an Xof1.

 

[wws]

Evtripplanner reports a 10ish kWh difference between taking 1 and 101 from Monterey to SLO. But driving that portion of Highway 1 is often even slower going due to the number of RVs, tourists in general, no passing zones, and twisties (rock wall on one side, the Pacific Ocean on the other). Beautiful drive tho.

 

[McRat]

Go to Post #1 in this thread.

20 months ago, GM said they would sell a 200 mile EV in 2017 for $30k after federal incentive.

Can somebody explain to me why people keep saying this is not true?

I guess we know by Dec 31, 2017 whether this is the case or not, because they do have point today, since there are only press cars in the wild. But, I'd bet they will hit their goal at this point.

 

[SageBrush]

Do you think the Bolt will go over 200 miles on a charge? GM claimed it would.

Any GM claim is first vetted by it's army of lawyers: if they can weasel out later, marketing is good to go.

It is their way; and while it sets them up for pissed off customers and ridicule later, people like you continue to defend them. <<shrug>>

Thankfully, not my problem ... at least until more taxpayer hand-outs are given.

 

[Mark Z]

This speaks volumes: Opel Drove the Ampera-e 260 Miles to Its Paris Debut

A BEV drive from London to Paris. Enjoy the article about the European version of the BOLT.

 

[McRat]

Any GM claim is first vetted by it's army of lawyers: if they can weasel out later, marketing is good to go.

It is their way; and while it sets them up for pissed off customers and ridicule later, people like you continue to defend them. <<shrug>>

Thankfully, not my problem ... at least until more taxpayer hand-outs are given.

All EV makers currently (har) rely heavily on government handouts, in nearly all countries, not just the USA.

It's why some people have the mistaken illusion that an EV drivetrain is just as cheap as ICE. It's not close yet.

 

[Model 3]

The Volt isn't for sale in the EU, and Canada doesn't have the tax credit, so they can just sell the 50k-ish Bolts there until the tax credits runs out.

Hmm... That gives me hope that they will actually be getting a descant number of cars to sell here.
I have been a bit worried that they would "starve" the European marked.

 

[rxlawdude]

Do you think Model S 60 could do that drive without recharging? Would you blindly throw keyfobs to strangers 240 miles from your destination?

Do you think the Bolt will go over 200 miles on a charge? GM claimed it would.

Uh, yes. I've already run the numbers, and a Model S would have used 209 RATED miles on that gerrymandered GM-dictated route.

 

[McRat]

Uh, yes. I've already run the numbers, and a Model S would have used 209 RATED miles on that gerrymandered GM-dictated route.

How long did it take you?

S 60 base model:

Compare Side-by-Side

 

[rxlawdude]

How long did it take you?

S 60 base model:

Compare Side-by-Side

The point is that GM purposefully selected a 230 mile route that would use substantially less energy than a real-world, round trip test. Any Tesla MS could make that trip and have a lot more charge remaining than the Bolts, which limped into Santa Barbara.

 

[jgs]

The point is that GM purposefully selected a 230 mile route that would use substantially less energy than a real-world, round trip test. Any Tesla MS could make that trip and have a lot more charge remaining than the Bolts, which limped into Santa Barbara.

Someone with time on their hands should actually do it in a MS. It's a nice enough drive.

 

[McRat]

I would suggest at least 2015 70D to play it safer.

Compare Side-by-Side

If the traffic sucks:

Compare Side-by-Side

 

[McRat]

The point is that GM purposefully selected a 230 mile route that would use substantially less energy than a real-world, round trip test. Any Tesla MS could make that trip and have a lot more charge remaining than the Bolts, which limped into Santa Barbara.

That is an assumption. My daughter goes to UCSB and the 101 in that area can suck more than a Dyson. It took us 1 hr to go 20 miles.

If the 101 was hosed, the Bolt would actually have done even better.

EDIT - GM purposely selected a distance that was the EPA distance. Gutsy move.

 

[SageBrush]

EDIT - GM purposely selected a distance that was the EPA distance. Gutsy move.

At ~ 46 average mph. Not gutsy, typical GM spin-o-rama.

 

[SageBrush]

GM also tested the Bolt by the emerging 'Worldwide Harmonized Light-Duty Vehicles Test Procedure' and managed 236 miles
The Bolt fanbois call this cycle "extra stringent" but the details of the cycle --- well, you be the judge LOL
60 kph = ~ 37 mph
100 kph = 62 mph

 

[JRP3]

Can somebody explain to me why people keep saying this is not true?

Who is saying it's not true?

 

[McRat]

GM also tested the Bolt by the emerging 'Worldwide Harmonized Light-Duty Vehicles Test Procedure' and managed 236 miles
The Bolt fanbois call this cycle "extra stringent" but the details of the cycle --- well, you be the judge LOL
60 kph = ~ 37 mph
100 kph = 62 mph

Do you know what you're looking at? Tell me what the car is doing from ~1500 seconds to ~1700 seconds. 3 minutes of what?

 

[McRat]

In any case, when Opel wants to pump up the AmperaE (Bolt), they drive 260 miles to Paris and it has 50 miles leftover.

Now that is hypermiling, not throwing fobs to random drivers.