Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion

[mspohr]

I disagree. He is attempting to refute Gibbs & Moore's assertion that pollution and AGW cannot be controlled unless population is reduced.

As your data shows, we can successfully reduce energy consumption without reducing population.

 

[SageBrush]

As your data shows, we can successfully reduce energy consumption without reducing population.

You bet. I amended my post to say the same thing.

 

[TEG]

As more of the world expects to have things like personal vehicles, and personal air-conditioning, it becomes all the more important that those things are powered by non-polluting sources such as solar or wind power...

 

[nwdiver]

It is interesting that both of them fall into the same reasoning trap in not seeing that renewables can solve the pollution and AGW problem of both the population increasing countries and the slovenly developed countries. Moore is blinded by population ideology and Monbiot is blinded by his distaste for Western waste.

It's another cautionary example of what happens when people allow ideology instead of facts to color their interpretation of reality.

This is probably the most notorious example; Lysenkoism

 

[SmartElectric]

Crossing state lines? Oil firms flare Texas gas as investors vent on climate

Some investors have seized upon flaring, which generates greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, as a measure of environmental performance.


“It is the number one ESG (environmental, social and governance) thing they need to be focused on,” said Rob Thummel, portfolio manager at energy investors Tortoise Capital. “They can choose or not to flare ultimately.” Exxon, along with BP, Shell and Chevron, said in September it would minimize flaring, which exacerbates climate change by releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. BP, which bought BHP Billiton’s assets in 2018 and said it has been trying to reduce flaring, burned 13.5% of its natural gas in the Permian last year.

 

[eevee-fan]

Crossing state lines? Oil firms flare Texas gas as investors vent on climate

Strange that they don't capture the gas into a tank, and then use the gas in the tank to power equipment or generate power on site.

 

[Dave EV]

Strange that they don't capture the gas into a tank, and then use the gas in the tank to power equipment or generate power on site.

They have so much gas, it's cheaper to flare it than to try to capture it for later use. The only way you can convince companies to not flare it, is through regulation.

A LOT of gas is flared off as a byproduct of oil drilling and just thrown away: Global Flaring Visualization

 

[SageBrush]

A LOT of gas is flared off

Viewed as an inefficiency -- what is the fraction of energy wasted ?

I ask because I am inclined to be a lot more concerned about methane escape to the atmosphere, but I do not know specific numbers.

 

[mspohr]

They have so much gas, it's cheaper to flare it than to try to capture it for later use. The only way you can convince companies to not flare it, is through regulation.

A LOT of gas is flared off as a byproduct of oil drilling and just thrown away: Global Flaring Visualization

It doesn't cost anything to flare it. If they had to pay for the gas or if there was a carbon tax, they might be motivated to stop flaring.

 

[mspohr]

Welcome to the End of the ‘Human Climate Niche’

This is what it means to be living already outside the “human niche.” The term comes from a landmark paper published late last month in the Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, “Future of the Human Climate Niche.” What do the authors mean by it? In short, that the range of temperatures that make human flourishing possible is quite narrow, and that climate change promises to close that window — not entirely, but enough to meaningfully diminish how much of the planet can support prosperous, comfortable life

Looking forward, they project that, even under a best-case emissions scenario, one that allows us to meet the goals of the Paris accords and pull up at about two degrees Celsius of warming, regions that are today home to 1.5 billion people would become, practically speaking, unlivable by 2070.

 

[ggr]

It doesn't cost anything to flare it. If they had to pay for the gas or if there was a carbon tax, they might be motivated to stop flaring.

It doesn't cost *them* anything to flare it. It costs the world a lot.

 

[Dr. J]

Agreed, but that does not tell you where growth in energy consumption is occurring.

Do not misunderstand me --- I am the first to say that the per capita energy consumption in the rich countries is obscene. I'm pointing out a fallacy in the argument that you posted.

I'm late to the discussion, but the answer is: Asia/Pacific, which I guess is dominated by China. Source: Energy


This is similar to the GHG emissions argument: China has the fastest rise, but not the highest per capita figure.

(See Energy Use Per Capita lower on the page in the source referenced above.)

 

[SageBrush]

I'm late to the discussion, but the answer is: Asia/Pacific, which I guess is dominated by China. Source: Energy

As a fraction of the increase, yes.
However if you plotted on a semi-log graph to get a better look at growth some of the regions will look different.

 

[Dr. J]

As a fraction of the increase, yes.
However if you plotted on a semi-log graph to get a better look at growth some of the regions will look different.

There's a data tab in the original source that allows download of a .csv file. You're the semi-log graph guy!

 

[CyberGus]

Look, all we need to do is convince Elon to make a giant sunshade from about a million of those space blankets, launch it into space, and park it at the Earth-Sol lagrange point. It will block 1% of the heat from the sun, offsetting the rise due to CO2. climate solved

Plus, everybody buy a Tesla

 

[SageBrush]

There's a data tab in the original source that allows download of a .csv file. You're the semi-log graph guy!

Your link is broken

 

[TEG]

Look, all we need to do is convince Elon to make a giant sunshade from about a million of those space blankets, launch it into space, and park it at the Earth-Sol lagrange point. It will block 1% of the heat from the sun, offsetting the rise due to CO2. climate solved
Plus, everybody buy a Tesla

Or a whole lot of Starlink satellites with solar panels to soak up the sun...

 

[Dr. J]

Your link is broken

Try: Energy
https: //ourworldindata. org/energy (remove 2 spaces)

 

[rays427]

Explanation of the Cost of Solar and Wind

 

[SageBrush]

Try: Energy
https: //ourworldindata. org/energy (remove 2 spaces)

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