That guy is one of the most respected technical reviewers online and wouldn't make mistakes about pleather and leather, as he is a militant leftie animal lover. Also your ≠ you're. You are completely lacking credibility, without so much as a link or screenshot and basic grammatical errors a 12 year old wouldn't make.
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Wow, go enjoy YouTube videos but don't believe them all. Learn to do a little basic research on your own that's a better use of the Internet. You're too worried about grammatical errors but not researching the facts. Mercedes actually knows what materials they use in their cars.
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And still no evidence. Poor showing Xolt. It's not up to me to prove your BS arguments.
The E class doesn't sit on the C class platform. Please provide some evidence for this claim.
You questioned Xolt's credibility for his "grammatical errors", yet you are fine with the grammatical errors from the your so called respected youtuber during his review (he is German). You questioned Mercedes's stereo based on the Harman Kardon system in your mom's old E-class, which is just so wrong on so many levels. First, drawing the conclusion on the current generation based on the previous generation is unfair, not to mention how the audio quality can depend largely on one's personal preference. Second, Harman Kardon is just a brand that offers different levels of stereo system to different manufactures. The branding itself hardly suggests anything.
Just quit it. Your argument is really not holding any water since the beginning and my problem with you is you seem so quick to attack others who are just trying to be reasonable. You should be ashamed.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
For the purposes of this argument, the E43 press release from Mercedes says it comes with MB-Tex/DINAMICA (aka fake leather) as standard and real nappa leather is optional:
"The upholstery in MB-Tex/DINAMICA (optional: nappa leather) features a distinctive layout and red topstitching. To match the seat design, the door center panels and dashboard are finished in MB-Tex with red topstitching."
https://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalAssets/AboutUs/PressReleases/Mercedes-AMG-E43-Press-Release.pdf
The feature page for the E43 says the same thing:
"MB-Tex/DINAMICA with optional nappa leather"
Future_Models_All_New_2017_E43_Sedan
Unless they changed it recently or this applies to only certain markets, I can see @Burnt Toast's point
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I'm sorry, but I haven't levelled any personal attacks. My arguments are valid, and as the post above indicates, verifiable, unlike others with made up facts. Also, why would I have a problem with a German speaker making grammatical errors in his second language. It's not the same thing as a poster from Florida making up facts and making very basic errors in grammar, while fanatically repeating the same tired diatribe over and over. Pointing out his poor grammar doesn't serve as a straw man, and is not a personal attack, it's pointing out the fact that poster can barely string together a coherent sentence, let alone a valid argument. I'm sick and tired of people posting absolute bullshit about the quality of the Tesla interiors, because they've read it somewhere else or feel it's a valid criticism. No doubt an S class has a better interior than a Model S, but the Model S doesn't really compete with the S class, it is in every sense a CLS rival. Jumping on the bandwagon and claiming the E class has a better interior is just plain wrong; it doesn't unless you pay big money for the Designo interior.
Not really a fair conclusion. A lot depends on your area and Tesla has recently addressed this issue.
1 - there is so much misinformation in this thread it's ridiculous. The only proper advice to anyone who wants to really know about these cars.,,.ignore all of this and go do your own homework w the AMG community.
2 - Depending on the trim of the MS, I'd take it all day long over the E43. I wouldn't touch it, personally. Go big or go home. Not a generally reasonable mentality, I get it, just sharing my perspective.
2 - Depending on the trim of the MS, I'd take it all day long over the E43. I wouldn't touch it, personally. Go big or go home. Not a generally reasonable mentality, I get it, just sharing my perspective.
Boy, I sure wish all of my bad decisions turned out to be this good. I suspect there are thousands of other members of this forum who would agree with me. Picked up my car on January 26th. Haven't stopped smiling since. Like many, I literally look for an opportunity to drive it. Never experienced that with any other car I have owned. Not a minute goes by where I say to myself, "did I buy the right car?" Or, "I should have bought the MB/BMW, (insert any other car company here). My only regret is not pulling the trigger sooner.
So why listen to the handful of people here that had a bad service experience or feel that their car was not perfect when delivered or are unhappy about AP2? Are you giving the same deference to the hundreds of people who say the exact opposite? There will always be people who are unhappy with what they bought or how they were treated or whether their car was serviced properly. Have you ever purchased a product that had bad reviews? How about eaten at a restaurant that several people said was serving food that taste like dog food? Did you always agree with with their opinion? I bet not. Are there no horror stories from BMW owners, MB owners? By the way, did I mention that I know a guy who purchased an MB and it was a lemon? In service for months at a time and they could never find out what was wrong with it. Ask him if you should buy an MB. I am sure his experience is isolated.
I agree with @rory breaker (above), "there is so much misinformation in this thread it's ridiculous". Filter out the "noise" and get the big picture. How does Tesla stack up on the national customer satisfaction ratings? How does Tesla stack up on the national polls that ask if owners would buy one again? I think that you will find that Tesla does pretty darn well. That does not mean that a Tesla is perfect for everyone or the perfect car. I'll tell you, it isn't. But nothing is.
Reading your post(s), I see why you are leaning toward the MB. Seems to be a better fit for you based upon what you identify as important. For me, it was the opposite. The Tesla was leaps and bounds ahead of the competition in areas that I felt were important. But the car is being purchased for you. Nobody else. The only person that truly knows what you want is you. People on this message board have biases, agendas, axes to grind, etc... And that includes me. I love my car and everything that Tesla stands for. So why listen to what I say, when I tell you that you should definitely buy a Tesla over that piece of #$@$@ MB you are considering.
You seem to be very concerned about Tesla service. In fact, that may be your biggest fear in buying a Tesla. Assuming that to be true, If I were you, and I was going to listen to the advice of others as to my purchase, I would listen to the opinions of people who have used the service center that you would use. As you can see by the posts on this message board, the service will apparently vary greatly from SC to SC. Maybe the one(s) near you are outstanding and everyone loves them. So why listen to people that hate their service center in (insert city here) if you would never use that SC. Though I have fortunately never had the need to use it, I hear the SC close to my house is outstanding. That is good enough for me. Of course, that can change over time.
Sorry for the long post, I have to work on that. But I will leave you with this thought. It is said that the only things in life that we regret are the things that we didn't do. I am sure that the MB is a fine automobile. It is a safe choice. But if you bought the MB, every time you get passed (read:smoked) by a Tesla
, will you regret not purchasing the Tesla? I suspect that if you purchased the Tesla, you would almost certainly not ever feel that sense of regret thinking that you should have purchased the MB. Take the leap. Take the risk. Take the chance. You (probably) won't regret it. Then again, I could be wrong because I love my Tesla. Best of luck. If nothing else, be thankful that you have the opportunity to purchase either one of these fine automobiles.
Boy, I sure wish all of my bad decisions turned out to be this good. I suspect there are thousands of other members of this forum who would agree with me. Picked up my car on January 26th. Haven't stopped smiling since. Like many, I literally look for an opportunity to drive it. Never experienced that with any other car I have owned. Not a minute goes by where I say to myself, "did I buy the right car?" Or, "I should have bought the MB/BMW, (insert any other car company here). My only regret is not pulling the trigger sooner.
So why listen to the handful of people here that had a bad service experience or feel that their car was not perfect when delivered or are unhappy about AP2? Are you giving the same deference to the hundreds of people who say the exact opposite? There will always be people who are unhappy with what they bought or how they were treated or whether their car was serviced properly. Have you ever purchased a product that had bad reviews? How about eaten at a restaurant that several people said was serving food that taste like dog food? Did you always agree with with their opinion? I bet not. Are there no horror stories from BMW owners, MB owners? By the way, did I mention that I know a guy who purchased an MB and it was a lemon? In service for months at a time and they could never find out what was wrong with it. Ask him if you should buy an MB. I am sure his experience is isolated.
I agree with @rory breaker (above), "there is so much misinformation in this thread it's ridiculous". Filter out the "noise" and get the big picture. How does Tesla stack up on the national customer satisfaction ratings? How does Tesla stack up on the national polls that ask if owners would buy one again? I think that you will find that Tesla does pretty darn well. That does not mean that a Tesla is perfect for everyone or the perfect car. I'll tell you, it isn't. But nothing is.
Reading your post(s), I see why you are leaning toward the MB. Seems to be a better fit for you based upon what you identify as important. For me, it was the opposite. The Tesla was leaps and bounds ahead of the competition in areas that I felt were important. But the car is being purchased for you. Nobody else. The only person that truly knows what you want is you. People on this message board have biases, agendas, axes to grind, etc... And that includes me. I love my car and everything that Tesla stands for. So why listen to what I say, when I tell you that you should definitely buy a Tesla over that piece of #$@$@ MB you are considering.
You seem to be very concerned about Tesla service. In fact, that may be your biggest fear in buying a Tesla. Assuming that to be true, If I were you, and I was going to listen to the advice of others as to my purchase, I would listen to the opinions of people who have used the service center that you would use. As you can see by the posts on this message board, the service will apparently vary greatly from SC to SC. Maybe the one(s) near you are outstanding and everyone loves them. So why listen to people that hate their service center in (insert city here) if you would never use that SC. Though I have fortunately never had the need to use it, I hear the SC close to my house is outstanding. That is good enough for me. Of course, that can change over time.
Sorry for the long post, I have to work on that. But I will leave you with this thought. It is said that the only things in life that we regret are the things that we didn't do. I am sure that the MB is a fine automobile. It is a safe choice. But if you bought the MB, every time you get passed (read:smoked) by a Tesla
Best of luck. If nothing else, be thankful that you have the opportunity to purchase either one of these fine automobiles.
Thanks for the detailed post. I think, I did not make it clear in my post that, I am not going to buy the MB. I am just holding MB as the benchmark. Once Tesla meets the benchmark in most categories, I will buy the Model S. That is why I asked if its best to wait. I am not going to buy another gas car after experiencing instant torque. I am renting a Model S P85D for 3 days for a tour. Will experience it myself soon.
DIL
Member
MB grabs 1st place in this particular ICE comparo:
2017 Audi A6 3.0T Competition vs. BMW 540i, Cadillac CTS V-Sport, Jaguar XF S AWD, Mercedes-AMG E43 4MATIC - Comparison Tests
2017 Audi A6 3.0T Competition vs. BMW 540i, Cadillac CTS V-Sport, Jaguar XF S AWD, Mercedes-AMG E43 4MATIC - Comparison Tests
To get an idea of Tesla's interior fit and finish and how it's assembled, check out this video posted on this board
My Tesla Probs Video
EV-lutioin
Active Member
Good summary! When it comes to price, you may want to factor in .09 per mile savings in gas vs electric cost (at .12 kWh and $2.70 gallon and 21 mpg ave. for E-series), which equates to a savings of $9,000 per 100,000 miles. This does not include free Supercharging or Supercharging credits.
