bkp_duke
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It doesn't. It IS useful for someone that is contagious to use one, but that's about it. And then, most people aren't trained to properly use them (they keep touching their face, which negates any effectiveness).
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It doesn't. It IS useful for someone that is contagious to use one, but that's about it. And then, most people aren't trained to properly use them (they keep touching their face, which negates any effectiveness).
The best argument I've heard for face masks is that it's a constant reminder to keep your hands off of your mouth, so long as you're not sliding your hands under the mask. Statistically speaking, people touch their mouths less while wearing one, and that may be one of the benefits. But I can't imagine it being terribly helpful in the open air of a city.
In the event of a shortage of facemask, how can you recommend the general public to wear it. panic buying will eliminate the chance for medical professionals to get it.
you gotta take in consideration the US's population density compared to China. In the US its 93 people / square miles. China's is 375. When you have that many more people, 4x to be exact, stuffed in there, spreading via air is a real thing.
Go Bernie!
Lets put our Govt in charge of the health care system.
(JK)
I'm hoping for a hot summer to slow down the virus and give our HC system more time to act and produce treatment/vaccine.
Lets put our Govt in charge of the health care system.
(JK)
I'm hoping for a hot summer to slow down the virus and give our HC system more time to act and produce treatment/vaccine.
The contrast is even sharper than that. In China, about half of the land is uninhabitable (high Mountains/Deserts etc), while in the U.S. most lands are arable/livable. So China's population is concentrated on the east part, much higher density than U.S. This is why I doubt we will see a similar wide spread in U.S. as what happened in Asia/Europe.
Causalien
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Agreed. They should be where Italy is right now and much worst. But they are not.
There are a number of factors in play - Governmental response, social/cultural norms, public transit use, population density. The US has some working in its favor, but others working against it. One of the worst things that could happen is a continued downplaying of the virus's potential, which will get people to drop their guard and continue to engage in risky behavior.
I will remain optimistic, but guarded against the possibility that we trend toward Italy's present situation.
Causalien
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Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population
Not a 1 or 0 event. But significantly reduces viral load.
bkp_duke
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It's all about knowing how to use them. That's the greatest failing I see repeatedly when the lay public puts them on. But, they aren't going to hurt people, so I'm not against them as long as there are enough for the professionals when they need them.
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
Best case is if there's enough for everyone. So when the whole population wears them at least 20% will wear them correctly with a good fit, another 30% somewhat correctly. Half will wear them wrong, but it still have some mitigation effect and maybe 10% of those half wears them inside out and another 10% wears it without covering their nose.
With education and constant commercial broadcast, eventually the whole population will begin to wear them correctly. But that might be too much to expect of our broadcasting corporations that is profit driven.
EVNow
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EVNow
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There are now 3 other nursing facilities with reported cases. 2 of them have fatalities - one of them quite close to me.
ps : Feels like Inslee is preparing everyone for mandatory social distancing.
Washington state Gov. Jay Inslee on Tuesday morning directed nursing homes and assisted living facilities to restrict the number of visitors they let in and screen workers at the start of every shift.
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Inslee stopped short of announcing any “social distancing” measures, such as restricting large public events. That approach has also been discussed, but not yet implemented, in Seattle and King County.
However, Inslee said he “wouldn’t be shocked” if such an announcement were to come in days.
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Inslee stopped short of announcing any “social distancing” measures, such as restricting large public events. That approach has also been discussed, but not yet implemented, in Seattle and King County.
However, Inslee said he “wouldn’t be shocked” if such an announcement were to come in days.
And this looks like a decent response for people who are sick but don't want to miss work because they need money.
The governor also announced a rule that unemployment benefits will be available to workers in isolation or quarantine due to a COVID-19 diagnosis or suspected exposure to the virus. Meanwhile, the state is expanding leave and telework options for Washington state employees.
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Unfortunately, people aren't always either rational or obedient, and governments depend on the goodwill and common sense of their citizens.
Just look at Italy: announce a lockdown of part of the country and people rush to the last trains to scatter all over the country. Tell them to stay home and they all rush to the shops at the same time. Hardly successful if you're trying to implement social distancing measures...
Would one go to hell for shorting nursing home REITs? Asking for a friend.
They aren't effective at preventing you from catching a virus, but they are darn well effective at lowering your chances of transmitting the disease through droplet transmission if you have a cough.
Of course that supposes that people are actually mindful about the effect they have on others, rather than motivated only by their personal well-being. In certain socieities there _is_ quite some social peer pressure: on a train in Tokyo when I last visited (well before this virus scare) no one would have dreamt of having a cough and not wearing a mouth mask.
ev-enthusiast
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I don’t quite get the arbitrary 1000 people size cut off. Shouldn’t it be ANY unnecessary public gathering?
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