nwdiver
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Feels really weird to be near the top of one the the good lists....
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Feels really weird to be near the top of one the the good lists....
AlanSubie4Life
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Sadly still not fast enough. Really looks like we might need to switch to the one-dose strategy, at least in some places (upper Midwest, Florida, NY and environs). Delaying the second dose for 6-7 weeks or so should be enough to get us through this squeeze I think.
Alternatively we could just surge more vaccine to those areas but then we could have whack-a-mole.
Is the Second Dose Bad? If I Feel OK, Is It Working? Can I Take Tylenol? (Published 2021)
The most common questions about vaccination side effects, answered.
I got my 1st Pfizer dose via leftover list at a Walgreens in Antioch, CA (over 80 miles from home) on Friday as I'm not eligible yet. I've only had a sore arm and some fatigue.
My county (Santa Clara) seems to be a mess in terms of supply. I worry about the CA floodgates opening on April 15 (everyone 16+ becomes eligible statewide whereas right now it's 50+ except for some counties that opened it to all 16+). I spent about 3 afternoons calling many pharmacies to ask if they were vaccinating and if they had a WL that non-eligible people could get on. I got on like 6 wait lists and had 3 pharmacies that keep no wait list but say to call each day at x time and you need to be there within y hours.
Many had no WL or were really full (e.g. 100+ entries) and thus closed. Many had no supply.
For Antioch, I got on their WL on Monday and was called about leftovers on Thursday (I couldn't make it due to work deadlines) and Friday (made it). I made it super clear that I wasn't eligible yet per CA guidelines each time I contacted them and when was there. The injection person balked though :O, but luckily, she seemed ok w/me being "essential" due to the 24/7 nature of my (well-known) company's service.
I was in the middle of driving to Home in Stockton that thru many reports was taking anyone, regardless of eligibility after 1 pm. I called them twice to confirm before embarking.
There are numerous Bay Area and CA vaccine hunter FB groups that helped, including crowdsourced Google sheet (which I also added to). There are numerous reports that CSU Bakersfield is taking anyone 16+ w/no residency requirements, despite what California State University, Bakersfield says. Might be good for people in So Cal and Central Valley who aren't eligible yet but want to get it sooner. They are closed Easter Sunday though. Would be good to get confirmation before going on a road trip.
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Even Wil Wheaton posted about it.
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JRP3
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We'll be 16+ here in NY in a few days, seems as if we are getting plenty of vaccine, and when I got my first dose 10 days ago there was only one other person waiting with me.
AlanSubie4Life
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It probably depends on specifically where you are. NY would do well to be vaccinating people twice as quickly right now. They are not going fast enough. Though honestly NY area seems to have a less severe issue than the Upper Midwest.
To be clear, I still think vaccinations will bring things to a close (final declines) for good (barring new unknown variants) in about four weeks; this is just a question of how many lives we lose unnecessarily in the interim. It’s a tricky problem.
In any case the FDA has decided we’re not going to do single doses, so that is that.
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dhanson865
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I haven't scheduled my second shot yet. I fully expect things to have quieted down in 4 weeks but if not I could just voluntarily get my 2nd shot a few weeks later.
dhanson865
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Nope, they let us set up our own appointments, they verbally told me to set it for 4 weeks later. Web site says to do that. Nothing setup on the day of the shot and I figured I'd stay flexible and pick a date a few weeks in.
The pharmacy I got it at has this on the website
*** If you received your first dose of vaccine at Volunteer Pharmacy and cannot book an appointment within the recommended time frame, you may come as a walk-in for your second dose within 4 to 6 weeks after your first dose. Please arrive between 12 pm –4 pm, Monday through Friday.***
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scottf200
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Title: Walgreens to switch second dose of Pfizer COVID vaccine to CDC's recommended timing
USA TODAY 5-Apr-2021
Walgreens to switch second dose of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to CDC's recommended timing
Walgreens will shorten the window between the first dose of Pfizer's COVID vaccine and the second from four weeks to the CDC's recommended three.
www.usatoday.com
AlanSubie4Life
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Michigan is not so fortunate, but we're quite fortunate that as a nation what is happening in Michigan is not happening in more places. It's interesting how much worse it is than anywhere else. Though there are early signals elsewhere, we'll see whether or not they actually have time to explode as vaccination continues. Just a few weeks away now from a level of immunity where rapid outbreak growth will be difficult...hopefully.
Good thread showing the basic breakdown of cases & hospitalization by age. Definitely need to continue to get older people vaccinated!
Good thread showing the basic breakdown of cases & hospitalization by age. Definitely need to continue to get older people vaccinated!
dhanson865
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I looked up the CDC page for Moderna and it still has 28 days listed there. Not sure why they moved to 3 weeks for Pfizer and stay at 4 weeks for Moderna.Title: Walgreens to switch second dose of Pfizer COVID vaccine to CDC's recommended timing
USA TODAY 5-Apr-2021
Walgreens to switch second dose of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to CDC's recommended timing
Walgreens will shorten the window between the first dose of Pfizer's COVID vaccine and the second from four weeks to the CDC's recommended three.www.usatoday.com
Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC
Information about the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and how to store, handle, and administer it.
www.cdc.gov
AlanSubie4Life
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Maybe I'm confused by what you're asking, but that's because those are the recommended intervals that were tested during the clinical trials, so that is what the CDC is recommending (3 weeks for Pfizer, 4 weeks for Moderna).
For those in So Cal, Central Valley or on your way between Nor Cal and So Cal, if you're not eligible yet per CA guidelines and had hesitancy about CSUB given what their web page said... finally California State University, Bakersfield has been updated to say
Almost 300 known breakthrough cases and 3 deaths so far in Michigan among the vaccinated population. Likely more that haven’t been reported yet.
dhanson865
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* Walgreens was doing 4 weeks for Pfizer, 4 weeks for Moderna
* CDC says 3 weeks Pfizer, 4 weeks Moderna
* why was walgreens not on the same page to begin with?
* why did they change? (note the answer to that isn't to follow CDC guidance, it has to explain why the change, not what they changed to, or who they decided to follow).
if you want to go back and talk about 3 weeks pfizer vs 4 weeks moderna you could ask
* why did pfizer choose 3 weeks
* why did moderna choose 4 weeks
it all comes back to walgreens starting it but there are a dozen questions that can be talked about here once you start the conversation.
and if all you have is "that's what the clinical trials did" and "the CDC follows the trials" I got that already, no need to comment.
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AlanSubie4Life
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They said it was easier to administer (which does not meet FDA/CDC guidance).
From NY Times:
‘Using the same gap for both vaccines was “the easiest way to stand up the process based on our capabilities at the time,” Dr. Kevin Ban, Walgreens’s chief medical officer, said in an interview.’
I guess I don’t understand. My understanding is that the government asked them to get with the program and follow the guidance, so I don’t see how that is not the answer? It caught the attention of the government, and they were asked to change their system.
I’m just really confused here, sorry. Not trying to be flip, I am just not following where the confusion is. Walgreens was doing what they were doing because it was easier for them, and they probably wanted to avoid accidentally administering Moderna doses 3 weeks apart (another hazard). Still, does not seem that complicated a problem to resolve.
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dhanson865
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you keep answering "what" questions, I'm asking "why" questions. Until you get out of the "what" mindset you won't be answering my questions.
The who and what and how are obvious in this situation, it is the why that is at question.
AlanSubie4Life
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I already provided some whys.
you keep answering "what" questions, I'm asking "why" questions. Until you get out of the "what" mindset you won't be answering my questions.
The who and what and how are obvious in this situation, it is the why that is at question.
Why did they do it this way? It was easier for them. This is completely believable for an automated system, though it is also fairly sad.
Why did they change? The government asked them to.
Why did Pfizer choose 3 weeks? Their data and experience and weighing of the risks suggested that was the best balance, probably. It’s basically the same as four weeks (rounding error). Has to be integer weeks.
What other why questions do you have? It’s fine to ask why questions, I am just saying I have no idea what why questions you are asking - like I said, not trying to be obtuse here - I genuinely have no idea what is not clear about this story, for any of the 5 Ws.
Yeah it is likely totally fine and possibly better. No one knows really.
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AlanSubie4Life
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It’ll be interesting to see the final stats. This certainly is not a surprise. This is why we all get vaccinated - to protect these people who were also vaccinated but for whom it didn’t work!
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