Coronavirus

[TEG]

Facebook reverses ban on posts claiming Covid-19 came from Chinese lab

The decision follows Biden’s call for a further probe into theories about the coronavirus’ origins, including the possibility it was released from a facility in Wuhan.

www.scmp.com

 

[eevee-fan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/

Wow, almost like our EPA after Trump took office.

 

[TEG]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

 

[cwerdna]

97% of COVID-19 cases in King County are among unvaccinated people - for those not aware, Seattle is in King County. There are some surrounding suburbs in it too such as Bellevue, Redmond and Kirkland.

 

[wdolson]

Lab moves don't "just happen". They are painful PAINFUL processes. I've been involved in 2, one across the country, and one from one building to another. Samples get damaged, things get misplaced, etc. etc. Even with the best planning possible, there are problems that occur.

I was involved in a large electronics testing lab move in the early 1990s. The lab was established in 1961 and this was the first time it moved. We had teams of people tasked with planning for over a year and it was still a mess. The wiring diagrams for some of the test systems had been lost and everything had to be documented before tear down, even then putting it back together again had some problems. My group's lab was one of the simpler parts of the move (it helped we were moving from a virtual closet that was about 300 sq ft to about 2000 sq ft) and we were among the first done. That meant I got tagged to help other groups get their stuff moved in.

Moving labs is not something done on a whim. Though an authoritarian government could order it. I don't expect the results would be pretty.

 

[JRP3]

The rosy national figures showing declining case numbers led the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to loosen mask recommendations two weeks ago and President Biden to advise people to take off their masks and smile.

But adjustments for vaccinations show the rate among susceptible, unvaccinated people is 73 percent higher than the standard figures being publicized. With that adjustment, the national death rate is roughly the same as it was two months ago and is barely inching down. The adjusted hospitalization rate is as high as it was three months ago. The case rate is still declining after the adjustment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/covid-rates-unvaccinated-people/

 

[scottf200]

I know someone with Lupus who was 'NONreactive' after a "LabCorp spike test". Doctor said the test was: "The Roche Cobas® Elecsys Anti-SARS-CoV-2 M Spike Total is an immunoassay intended for the qualitative detection of antibodies (including IgG) to SARS-CoV-2 Anti-M Spike Total antibodies."

Lupus meds they take: CellCept (Mycophenolate Mofetil) and Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine).

Timing: 3 wks post 2nd Moderna shots.

Quest Diagnostic test showed the same 'negative' for them 4 weeks after their 2nd Moderna shot (1st pict). Next step for them is an evaluation by an Infectious Disease specialist next month per their rheumatologist submitted order.

For someone else in the same household who got the same shots on the same days, their results were 'positive' [test on same day]. (2nd pict)

Quest Diagnostic test ($77 out of pocket): https://questdirect.questdiagnostic...ody-test/b580e541-78a5-48a6-b17b-7bad949dcb57

IgG Fact sheet: https://www.fda.gov/media/137382/download

 

[bkp_duke]

I was involved in a large electronics testing lab move in the early 1990s. The lab was established in 1961 and this was the first time it moved. We had teams of people tasked with planning for over a year and it was still a mess. The wiring diagrams for some of the test systems had been lost and everything had to be documented before tear down, even then putting it back together again had some problems. My group's lab was one of the simpler parts of the move (it helped we were moving from a virtual closet that was about 300 sq ft to about 2000 sq ft) and we were among the first done. That meant I got tagged to help other groups get their stuff moved in.

Moving labs is not something done on a whim. Though an authoritarian government could order it. I don't expect the results would be pretty.

Now add to that the increased complexity of having to keep samples at appropriate temperatures - live samples at 25-40C, refrigerated samples at 4C, frozen samples at -80C, and super-cooled samples in liquid nitrogen. Extra handling of those samples, many of which will have not been touched in years, but will be for a move.

Yeah . . . a lab leak is plausible.

 

[bkp_duke]

Quest Diagnostic test showed the same 'negative' for them 4 weeks after their 2nd Moderna shot (1st pict). Next step for them is an evaluation by an Infectious Disease specialist next month per their rheumatologist submitted order.

For someone else in the same household who got the same shots on the same days, their results were 'positive'. (2nd pict)

Quest Diagnostic test ($77 out of pocket): https://questdirect.questdiagnostic...ody-test/b580e541-78a5-48a6-b17b-7bad949dcb57

IgG Fact sheet: https://www.fda.gov/media/137382/download

Unfortunately, that's not really surprising. They may need an additional booster, and be off some immunosuppressive meds for a time, in order to generate an immune response (NOT advice, take the advice of an immune specialist).

There has been note, I would have to dig up the paper, that a disproportionate number of cases of "breakthrough" COVID-19 after immunization were in the immunocompromised population.

EDIT - this is why herd immunity is so critical - to protect these individuals.

 

[scottf200]

They may need an additional booster.

The rheumatologist office indicated that one possible option is to switch to (get) the Pfizer to see if it has any different outcome vs the Moderna. 100% hear you on the herd immunity remark.

 

[bkp_duke]

The rheumatologist office indicated that one possible option is to switch to (get) the Pfizer to see if it has any different outcome vs the Moderna. 100% hear you on the herd immunity remark.

They are so similar in design, I have my doubts, but it could not hurt to try.

 

[FlatSix911]

New COVID-19 Cases Worldwide - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Have countries flattened the curve? Daily confirmed new COVID-19 cases for the most affected countries over time.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[eevee-fan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/covid-rates-unvaccinated-people/

So if the adjusted infection rate it's going back up, perhaps the vaccinated are still passing the disease - just that the vaccinated are higher asymptomatic rate and low/no death rate.

 

[bkp_duke]

So if the adjusted infection rate it's going back up, perhaps the vaccinated are still passing the disease - just that the vaccinated are higher asymptomatic rate and low/no death rate.

Nope. Statistically, the vaccinated are not who are propagating this. Vaccinated = NOT carriers and NOT infected.

 

[eevee-fan]

Nope. Statistically, the vaccinated are not who are propagating this. Vaccinated = NOT carriers and NOT infected.

So with 1/2 the potential hosts already vaccinated, how is the virus still getting to the unvaccinated at such a high rate?!? Also, some vaccinated still get sick, so not really "Vaccinated = NOT carriers and NOT infected."

 

[TEG]

So with 1/2 the potential hosts already vaccinated, how is the virus still getting to the unvaccinated at such a high rate?!? Also, some vaccinated still get sick, so not really "Vaccinated = NOT carriers and NOT infected."

Well, I assume one factor is things opening back up and vaccinated people feeling comfortable going out again, and the non-vaccinated socializing among those crowds (probably with no mask.) Another factor could be more contagious new variants of COVID-19 compared to the original strain.

 

[eevee-fan]

Well, I assume one factor is things opening back up and vaccinated people feeling comfortable going out again, and the non-vaccinated socializing among those crowds (probably with no mask.) Another factor could be more contagious new variants of COVID-19 compared to the original strain.

I'm going with the CDC stance that those vaccinated have some immunity and would tend to have lower virus loads and much lower chance of symptomatic infection but are not totally immune. This would actually be good news because those refusing vaccine and wanting to play chicken, well, their wish is granted.

 

[NikolaACDC]

So with 1/2 the potential hosts already vaccinated, how is the virus still getting to the unvaccinated at such a high rate?!? Also, some vaccinated still get sick, so not really "Vaccinated = NOT carriers and NOT infected."

And I think it's valid to assume that the (intentionally) unvaccinated are often surrounded by like-minded people.
Persons in their circle of friends, towns and counties will often be of the same mind.

There will probably be some smaller outbreaks after this party weekend where a lot of them will hang out together.

 

[EVNow]

So with 1/2 the potential hosts already vaccinated, how is the virus still getting to the unvaccinated at such a high rate?!? Also, some vaccinated still get sick, so not really "Vaccinated = NOT carriers and NOT infected."

So that still leaves 150 Million people that are NOT vaccinated ! Thats a lot of people.

Moreover - as others have pointed out - people tend to hangout with the like minded (think families, churches etc).

 

[eevee-fan]

So that still leaves 150 Million people that are NOT vaccinated ! Thats a lot of people.

Moreover - as others have pointed out - people tend to hangout with the like minded (think families, churches etc).

Ah... yes, COVID parties. So much faster to reach some kind of herd immunity. There are actually restaurants where that hosts COVID parties... they're charging $5 for people coming in with masks. LOL