bkp_duke
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Nothing is good compared to a PCR. Your linked test is not viable at all to diagnose an active infection
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Nothing is good compared to a PCR. Your linked test is not viable at all to diagnose an active infection
bkp_duke
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Exactly. The post millennials are working on their Darwin Awards.
French researcher posts successful Covid-19 drug trial
Am I allowed to feel HCQ might be the real deal?
Am I allowed to feel HCQ might be the real deal?
linux-works
Active Member
wow, wouldn't *that* be a kick, if it turns out that, in this case, its the *virus* that retreats...
(I kid, I kid....)
Ameliorate
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Best I can see is Italy is 22.8% over 65 years - Italy: share of elderly population 2009-2019 | Statista
South Korea 15% About 15 pct of S. Korea's population aged 65 or older: report | Yonhap News Agency
Social distancing has nothing to do with % of severe cases. Larger infected number just gives a more accurate percent. Social distancing comes in when we talk death rate because there is not enough medical support for this many severe cases, annnd the death rate goes way up because they don't get the treatment they need.
To be clear that's 14X more "severe" cases measured as a >>percentage of total confirmed cases<< edit, it's 16X
0.49% of SK is serious @ 36 of 7513
7.99% of Italy is serious @ 733 of 9172
5.9% of China is serious @ 4794 of 80754
There has to be more at play than demographics.
This chart is definitely a few days old now but same one from the video.
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No and Yes
it seems to be a real deal but not the real real.
I remember this as an antimalarial drug used by Lupus sufferers. Long term there is risk of eyesight failure, but that seems a long term risk Drug spotlight on hydroxychloroquine
Ameliorate
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The big difference seems to be treating cases with Chloroquine, hence my whole debate. What is South Korea doing differently?? The world needs to know!
They don't need as many beds because they don't have it escalating to "serious" status by a huge margin.
Which is huge because even if you avoid dying, serious can certainly mean lung scarring/damage. I'm making the assumption that serious means the patient is hospitalized and or on life support.
So you believe that chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine is the reason SK is OK. Why the resistance from everyone else when they have had such a large and successful test run much to the joy of their population? What am I missing here?
South Korea's patient 31 (superspreader) was in a cult, particularly heavy demographics was 20-29yr old.
there is a second peak at 50-59yr olds, presumably the parents of the 20-29yr olds.
i would assume there are more females than males in the cult, but no evidence, but either way, much less smoking than general public.
i would also assume the average weight of a south korean female is less than 50kg (before they become mothers), so low comorbidity (diabetes, heart disease, kidney etc)
(until shown otherwise, i would tend to expect a south korean cult to follow similar health behaviors as Latter Day Saints, regards to smoking etc)
so in general, young, female, non smoker, low BMI.
Hospitals aren't prisons. How do you propose hospitals hold onto patients who refuse to stay?
Ameliorate
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I'm not an expert on this. The medcram video linked earlier seemed to imply that the only different thing SK was doing (aside from mass testing, but that's a different issue) The discrepancy on the serious cases is WAY too high for me to just hand wave away and say it's nothing. They are doing something, I don't know if it is Chloroquine, or something else, but it sure seems significant!
(I mean, that puts people over 65 at 23.3% VS Italy's 22.8) You sure the cult demographic is so great? Non smoking should help but then there's Germany to ruin that statistic. 1600% difference can not be explained this easily!
Although I will offer one very possible reason. SK Mass testing would produce a lot of positives on people with little to no symptoms, who may not get tested in other countries around the world.
'At a love motel': Are S Korea virus alerts too revealing?
now, it seems, South Korea's tracking of high Coronavirus risk individuals seems to be highlighting the infidelities and affairs that occur.
now, it seems, South Korea's tracking of high Coronavirus risk individuals seems to be highlighting the infidelities and affairs that occur.
Doggydogworld
Active Member
I mostly use the Worldometers site, just because I got used to using it before I saw some of the others.
South Korea's serious/critical count makes no sense. It's been stuck on exactly 59 for days, even as ~15 patients perished.
Also, South Korea tracks contacts and tests almost obsessively (e.g. Love Motel article above). Italy.... does not. SK's 8k+ cases is a reasonable approximation of total infections. Italy has 30k known cases but probably 200k+ undetected ones. Two vastly different denominators.
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It's just very disruptive for the staff. It takes time and resource to search the hospital for missing patients. Time and resources that could be spent on providing care. Just one of many aspects of healthcare people don't fully appreciate I guess.
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
It'll probably end up being Remdesivir for the rich and Hydrochloroquin for the poor.
The caveat is, if this works so well. How come we don't hear much about the chloroquin trials in China? Why is the Hydroxy version better?
Disclaimer: I own Gilead who manufacturers Remdesivir.
Have not heard anything about Remdesivir. Nada. Not even bull anecdotal which most people here are equating HCQ stories too. Being used for a couple of months now and nothing.
Hard to imagine it has been working and no one has shared. Stock has not showed much either.
disclaimer: I own Gilead too.
Hydrox is less toxic metabolite of chloroquine
The only trial or report we hear from China is a report on 100 pts. They have yet to release specific data besides that it works or has some effect.
Now they are saying azithromycin in conjunction with hydroxychlorquine should be used.
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