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Why is no one handing out zinc and HCQ in Sturgis. Be a great study cohort.
Sturgis Motorcycle Rally: What to know about masks, attendance, rules
Sturgis Motorcycle Rally: What to know about masks, attendance, rules
Cruise ship, with masks and iso.
59% caught covid19
Of 80% of that 59% were asymptomatic.
COVID-19: in the footsteps of Ernest Shackleton
Note well
Passengers issued with surgical masks
Crew issued with N95 mask respirators.
https://thorax.bmj.com/content/thoraxjnl/75/8/693/F1.large.jpg
59% caught covid19
Of 80% of that 59% were asymptomatic.
COVID-19: in the footsteps of Ernest Shackleton
Note well
Passengers issued with surgical masks
Crew issued with N95 mask respirators.
https://thorax.bmj.com/content/thoraxjnl/75/8/693/F1.large.jpg
My unscientific wild ass Hypothesis,
reduced viral load due to isolation, mask and respirator use results in reduced initial viral load, leading to increased asymptomatic patients. Which is one way to improve the survival rate.
reduced viral load due to isolation, mask and respirator use results in reduced initial viral load, leading to increased asymptomatic patients. Which is one way to improve the survival rate.
This information by itself is meaningless in terms of understanding the transmission process. When were the masks distributed? One has to presume that they're distributed after they discovered that Covid 19 is on the ship? In that context how do you know how much transmission has already taken place? What was the compliance? Was their social distancing Before & After mask distribution? What was the ventillation arrangements and process in relationship to indoor gatherings? Again I'm not sure why you're posting this - it really looks as though you're trying to attack the use of masks.
I'd take a step back from that - you've been given plenty of feedback about this line of analysis. And you haven't responded to any of it. Instead you're doubling down on what looks like a very foolish narrative. It's looking as though you're lining up with covid-19 denial and minimization? Is that really what you're trying to do? Not clear
Thousands of children test positive for COVID-19 ahead of new school year | RochesterFirst
Nearly 100,000 children tested positive for the coronavirus in the last two weeks of July, a new report from the American Academy of Pediatrics finds. Just over 97,000 children tested positive for the coronavirus from July 16 to July 30, according to the association.
Out of almost 5 million reported COVID-19 cases in the U.S., CBS News’ Michael George reports that the group found that more than 338,000 were children.
Out of almost 5 million reported COVID-19 cases in the U.S., CBS News’ Michael George reports that the group found that more than 338,000 were children.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
The masks were provided after the outbreak. Surgical masks are not going to work very well in a cruise ship environment. It's all about odds, you're rolling the dice more often in an enclosed poorly ventilated environment. Even if your odds are better on an individual roll, the sheer number of chances means your luck will run out quickly.
Another paper where they don't say whether people were asymptomatic at the time of testing or if they followed up later. The ship left "mid- March" (why no date?), the first fever was found 8 days later. Everyone was was PCR tested April 3rd. It seems quite possible that at the time of testing most people infected were still in the incubation period.
What
What part of 80% asymptomatic rate is not impressive.
Seriously, is there any other dataset with such good health outcomes for what is presumably an older cohort with covid19?
Either
They caught covid19 before mask use or after mask use, but something resulted in low severity of the disease despite allowing wide transmission.
What part of 80% asymptomatic rate is not impressive.
Seriously, is there any other dataset with such good health outcomes for what is presumably an older cohort with covid19?
Either
They caught covid19 before mask use or after mask use, but something resulted in low severity of the disease despite allowing wide transmission.
DIY testing kits are absolutely worthless. People will not stick the swab far enough to where it needs to go.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
The university the study is affiliated with (Vanderbilt) is using DIY saliva tests for all their students. They also verify that sample is collected properly via a Zoom call. Not sure if they're using the same test for the study.
COVID-19 Testing: Undergraduate Student Pre-arrival
Vault Health | Covid-19 Testing
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
The severity seems about normal. 8 of 128 positives required hospitalization, 4 intubated, and 1 died. There were 97 crew, 43% of the total number (of people on the ship, doesn't say how many were positive), so the average age probably isn't as high as you might think. Also these were all people healthy enough to take a cruise. Presumably the true number of cases was higher than 128.
I don't trust the asymptomatic numbers in these outbreak studies unless they go back and interview the people a week after they test positive. I can't tell if they did that.
Overall it does not sound like a great cruise experience.
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I would be interested to know the difference in ventilation on that ship. The passengers seem to be very ANZ, and the report is from ANZ.
But interestingly, its a report that seems to me to confirm the ultility of mask/respirators (high asymptomatic rate) yet others seem to consider it otherwise, becomes it also portends a picture of low effectiveness to stop the spread of covid19. If a vacinne reduced the severity of covid19 down to asymptomatic level, wouldn't that be great? Because that is one of the possible outcomes for some of the vacinnes. To reduce severity but not particularly transmissibility.
But interestingly, its a report that seems to me to confirm the ultility of mask/respirators (high asymptomatic rate) yet others seem to consider it otherwise, becomes it also portends a picture of low effectiveness to stop the spread of covid19. If a vacinne reduced the severity of covid19 down to asymptomatic level, wouldn't that be great? Because that is one of the possible outcomes for some of the vacinnes. To reduce severity but not particularly transmissibility.
bkp_duke
Well-Known Member
Ohhh, welcome to Weld County...
Reopening schools during pandemic doesn’t mean one set of plans in Greeley area
"According to Dayspring’s reopening plan, the school does not believe it’s practical to maintain 6-feet between individuals as recommended by social distancing guidelines. Kurz said there will be space between students in class as much as possible, and Dayspring will keep students in small groups for weekly chapel sessions."
District 6 and Weld RE-4 leaders explain decision to return to in-school learning during coronavirus pandemic
“It doesn’t matter what they’re doing across the interstate,” District 6 Superintendent Deirdre Pilch told the board during a lengthy work session Friday morning. “We have an obligation to make the best decision for our community.”
Was interesting to see that Dayspring added a COVID waiver to protect themselves, but not their students or staff...
Dr. J
Active Member
Death by analogy:
“We are still in the middle of an AIDS epidemic, still, and they have never closed down the government for AIDS and HIV, said Mack Miller, a candidate running for Nevada Assembly District 5, who stood with others protesting emergency directives at Saturday’s rally. “Is there a mandate that we wear condoms?”
Death by stupidity:
John Niems, a local piano tuner technician....said he has no fear of catching the coronavirus because he believes that viruses cannot leave the human body once they are inside and, as such, cannot be contagious.
Several other attendees at the protest carried signs decrying medical science and the mainstream media, including some that expressed or referenced conspiracy theories about COVID-19 that have been debunked.
Holy......
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/ql...-in-a-row-ng-aa6cb4f0ebb993582dbcfb9526fb120f
Prevention is better than cure...
It seems the local police force is honed by years of intercepting rabbit smugglers to be up to the challenge of Covid19
Prevention is better than cure...
It seems the local police force is honed by years of intercepting rabbit smugglers to be up to the challenge of Covid19
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I thought it was delightfully tautologic.
Here's another
The fittest survive Covid19.
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