They are reducing to 15 in the proposal, regardless to which NEM you are on, or when you installed.
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CPUC NEM 3.0 discussion
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The page for submitting public comments:
Edit: oops, should be
Cheers, Wayne
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https://apps.cpuc.ca.gov/apex/f?p=401:65:0:🇳🇴::Edit: oops, should be
Cheers, Wayne
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The other thread that is being referenced by @h2ofun is here:
CPUC solar decision?
CPUC supposed to make solar NEM3 recommendation today. Any word on status?
teslamotorsclub.com
Lol how did Norway’s flag sneak in there…
Edit, man the CPUC website sucks... try this:
Proceeding Details
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https://apps.cpuc.ca.gov/apex/f?p=401:56:0::NO:RP,57,RIR:P5_PROCEEDING_SELECT:R2008020
skepticcyclist
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Just in case anyone missed it, someone on Reddit posted a summary of the proposal and is answering questions about it. So you can go there for some more information.
Sorry, I should have tested my link in an incognito window to be sure the website wasn't using some previously set cookies to resolve the URL.
Cheers, Wayne
If you have 30KW in solar panels and a crap load of PW (IIRC), wouldn't you be better off financially terminating the PGE service and get a natural gas generator to back up solar in the winter/rainy/smoky days? $240 a month would easily pay for a generator.
Will PG&E allow a home to sever its electricity service but keep its NG service?
I’m sure California is going to ban home generators entirely by 2030 lol.
ucmndd
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I believe adding new panels results in a new interconnect agreement at whatever the current tariff is.
But only if you're going to stay on grid. But yes, if you're going to make the change and then go off grid at a later point, better to do it before the changes take effect.
Grid defection has been claimed illegal before without any proof. Usually starts with "I don't think....".
Great question. I have a 22kw propane generator. This is going to be interesting to watch. So they force new homes to have solar, and new they add another cost. Follow the money
Last time I looked into this even a little bit, it appeared to me that if you are currently connected to the grid, you cant simply tell them to "come get your meter, I am disconnecting".. but I am not a legal expert by any means. Here is a document I found on the subject.
I am waiting for someone in a neighborhood to actually do this and be successful. I havent heard of it. I did read of a story of a person putting a powerpack in, because they wanted to be off grid and the requirements that were pushed on them.
Yeah this topic came up the last time NEM was a hot issue in April. There's also this article about the challenges of 100% grid defection. IIRC wwhitney disagreed with some of their points, and it seems there are some examples of homeowners achieving grid defection by having multiple generation sources, storage, and enough land (edit: and money) to pull it off.
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I am in a "neighborhood" (track home). Even if I wanted to grid defect, I cant get enough solar to do so. Of course it depends on usage, etc, but in order to have enough solar to run a home in the winter, you have to have WAAY more than you would need in the summer. Even @h2ofun doesnt have enough for his winter needs, for example, for full grid defection (but he probably has a better way to get there than most of us, most likely, with land, lake etc).
Im on NEM 1, installed in late 2015, PTO'd in March of 2016, so under these new guidelines it sounds like I would be good till 2031 instead of 2036.
On a somewhat related but separate note, I expect that CA will try to do something similar with taxing EVs on registration, because a large portion of revenue comes from gas tax, and we are not paying that but still using the roads (and causing wear and tear on roads, as they state).
Trying to take my own needs out of it for a moment (which is very hard to do, admittedly), I dont know whats "right" or "fair". I dont feel like its "fair" to punish people for doing what was encouraged (getting solar, buying EVs), but I also dont know whats "fair" about paying for grid usage. The problem the utilities face is, the people who were paying the most for Electricity in this state (always in highest tier for example) were heavily incentivized to get solar because of that.
Then, they went from paying the utility 100s and 100s a dollars a month, to basically nothing, after install of solar (those that could afford to install solar). Their "most profitable" people turned into "No revenue at all" people. I used to pay 400+ dollars a month for electricity during the summer, and 200 ish a month during the winter, pre solar. I now pay $10 a month during the summer (which I net generate) and like $1 a month during the winter, when I net consume and pull back what I put in. My net yearly true up is less than $100.
I personally think this is fine, as I have very little impact on my local grid any longer, especially since I got powerwalls, but the utility sees me as lost revenue, I am sure (and thinks that I am not paying "my fair share" to upkeep the grid).
I dont know what the answer is. Even though I am born and raised in this state, and never lived outside it for any real length of time other than "months long" job re locations, I was always planning to move "somewhere else" when I reach my retirement years. Not sure where that is, frankly. This just helps solidify that decision for me, and I will start planning as such.
Obviously, it's not feasible in urban areas where folks don't have enough land to pull off the Propane tank, generator, 4-5 PW and a ton of solar, so it's a moot point for most Californians. That being said, if you stop paying your IOU, don't they simply disconnect you? All in all, it's most likely not financially interesting to do so, but the pleasure derived from telling PGE to pound sand is close to priceless.
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