First company I worked for, a startup, provided dinner for employees. Dinner arrived at 7 pm. I don't think that timing was an accident. If you wanted dinner, you'd work until at least 7 pm.
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Elon & Twitter
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bkp_duke
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No exaggeration, I was going strictly on valuation. Last I checked, inflation adjusted, Elon has destroyed Jobs on net worth, and I believe even surpassed Rockefeller (although with TSLA valuation dropping, that might have changed).
Not even close. Rockefeller would be worth $400 billion in 2022 dollars, inflation adjusted. His net worth was 1/50th of the entire US GDP at the time. Today, that would be somewhere around $500 billion.
Thats great and how many Lightnings has Ford produced? Believe it is about 5000 units so far since April. Ford isnt ramping those very fast because they eat the sales of more profitable ICE F150s. I wouldnt be surprised if within 6 months of CT production start CT overtakes F150 in daily production and has sold more units in a year post delivery start date.
bkp_duke
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Noted. But still invalidates your Jobs comment. Jobs at his peak was a fraction of Elon's net worth.
bkp_duke
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11,196 according to this article, with "production expanding" to 150k/year.
Report: Ford F-Series and Toyota Tundra Sales Continue to Decline in October 2022 – When Compared to Last Year
The October 2022 sales numbers are in, and there is not much good news for full-size pickup trucks. The Ford F-series total sales ended up at -17.4% down from w
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Sounds completely legit.
Media loves to play up drama around Musk. People here lap it up like it’s nectar.
Have a great day.
As I said previously… I’m not predicting a whole lot from Twitter. But the stupid things people seem to take seriously around here crack me up.
Which is why Elon needs to stop tweeting and focus on the code. He owns the business now and should be exempt from posting until X is ready.
Knightshade
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I mean- it kinda does.
Because nearly all the development was by the government or with government funding.
So it wasn't a COMMERCIAL industry.
SpaceX largely INVENTED that.
And even then the few government contractors that occasionally launched a coms sat did so a handful of times a year at best- and for massively high price.
But the government did not fund the building or development of the actual rockets
They just bought the space on the first launches.
That was NOT true for the other companies you mention- where the ACTUAL PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT was government funded.
That's a fundamental difference you seem unable to recognize.
Sure. But the 787 wasn't build with government funding- neither NASA nor DOD paid to develop the product--- so your analogy makes no actual sense here- even if those agencies later buy plane tickets
it's REALLY not.
It's the entire point- and why SpaceX is so far ahead of everyone else in this space.
Nope.
Atlas V and Delta IV were developed for the US Air Force as part of the EELV program with development funded by the government.
Again you fail to recognize the difference between government DEVELOPMENT and government as a CUSTOMER.
Which words, specifically, did you not understand?
SpaceX privately developed the Falcon 1. Things like Atlas V and Delta IV were not privately developed.
The only other orbital launch vehicles to be privately funded and developed were the Conestoga in 1982- which never put a commercial sat in orbit (it only few a few times the last one breaking up soon after launch); and Pegasus, first launched in 1990, which uses a large aircraft as its launch platform and initially did so with a B-52 bomber borrowed from NASA.
Again- if launched from an aircraft already at high altitude- and originally from one borrowed from NASA- and then later launching from used commercial aircraft.
Nor did anyone say otherwise so this appears to be a strawman you're building.
The actual point was comparisons with SpaceX are nonsensical because that was Elon FOUNDING essentially an entire industry. There weren't dozens of other private commercial spaceflight companies already in the industry. There was one dropping rockets with high cost and low payload off aircraft and that was about it.
Here it's him buying a 15 year old company that isn't even in the top 10 of its own, super-crowded, industry.
All of which is aside from the point of the OTHER fundamental difference.
Telling a rocket scientist "Hey I want to develop these super advanced and awesome rockets and take humanity multiplanetary--- you wanna work 18 hours a day to make that dream happen?" has a decent chance of getting brilliant people to say YES.
Telling a San Francisco software developer "Hey, I want to let this microblogging website allow you to post longer cat videos--- you wanna work 18 hours a day IN OFFICE ONLY to make that dream happen?" has.... less of such a chance.
Like, a lot less.
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AlanSubie4Life
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At this point, this seems like a synonym for “lame.” Has definitely lost some of its punch.
scottf200
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"This is a scan/OCR of Exhibits H and J from the Twitter v. Musk case, with some of the conversations de-interleaved and of course converted from a fuzzy scan to text to make for easier reading."
He could correct all the issues you describe, but it wouldn't make Twitter into a viable business. Maybe he can reduce headcount and cost, but i don't think that would be enough.
OK found they sold 2400 in October. Of course expanding to 150K per year doesnt mean 150K over the next 12 months. I still suspect Tesla will ramp faster.11,196 according to this article, with "production expanding" to 150k/year.
Report: Ford F-Series and Toyota Tundra Sales Continue to Decline in October 2022 – When Compared to Last Year
The October 2022 sales numbers are in, and there is not much good news for full-size pickup trucks. The Ford F-series total sales ended up at -17.4% down from w
JRP3
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As well as not impacting the world as much as Elon. Rockets and EV's are more important than all of Apple's products, and we have yet to see what AI and Optimus will be.
Disagree. Smartphones have had an absolutely unprecedented effect on society. They have democratized computing. Nearly every aspect of society is affected by them. Just a trivial example. Look at how much of Ukraine’s combat effectiveness is enabled by smart phones.
While Apple didn’t “Invent” the smartphone. Musk didn’t “Invent“ rockets either. What both companies did do is make them more useful in a fundamental way which rapidly increased adoption.
Daniel in SD
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A good thread that confirms by priors (Twitter algorithm is amazing!) about why even a hardcore engineer would quit Twitter:
JRP3
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The difference is no other companies have risen to take the lead away from SpaceX or Tesla where as that happened quickly with the iPhone. I'd say Android was far more influential in world wide adoption of the smartphone.
ZenRockGarden
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Yeah - I don't think: "My hardest challenge was when my company was taken over by horrible people who fired my departments entire competent staff and demanded I swear loyalty oaths and work 80 hours a week regardless of my output - my response to it was a sat there are just took it" Reads well on a resume
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