True in some parts of the country, today. However, most EV drivers live in areas along the west and east coats where CCS charging is already fairly widely available. I could easily drive 500-600 miles from San Francisco to San Diego today, for example.
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int32_t
Tesla Spotter
Cheaper? It should be -- if Tesla can make an upscale electric sedan for $35,000 USD, Chevy should be able to make a much less upscale EV for less! No Superchargers, either. 
Red Sage
The Cybernetic Samurai
I think that is Elon Musk's plan. If Tesla Motors can offer a $35,000 fully electric long range car at potentially 500,000 units per year worldwide... Then a company such as General Motors, Ford, or Toyota should be able to match that volume at $25,000 per unit. Seeing GM commit to only 1/10th as many vehicles at most with the BOLT is rather disappointing -- especially at a HIGHER price point. Worse is that the other major automobile manufacturers: Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Chrysler/Dodge -- are all opting to do NOTHING in the realm of long range fully electric cars. It didn't take any of them this long to take up other trends in transportation -- like minivans, SUVs, or compact Crossovers for instance.Cheaper? It should be -- if Tesla can make an upscale electric sedan for $35,000 USD, Chevy should be able to make a much less upscale EV for less! No Superchargers, either.
Most news operations take pains to separate content from sales (advertising). I suspect the reason for the change was more pedestrian: (some of) the writers, who may have been Tesla fans, have moved on to better gigs or other occupations (journalist turnover is pretty high in these internet publishing times), and the replacements are not Tesla fans for whatever reason.
This made me think, does anyone know how long it will take to charge the Bolt? If you use all of that range, how long are you going to have to sit around to charge it back up?
I just looked it up. 25 miles an hour standard and 90 miles for a half hour on a DC fast charger. Not very good for long trips.
Yeah! Screw those people live in the middle of the continent! People like me don't count for anything! We don't deserve EVs and access to fast charging networks!
Garlan Garner
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Merrill
Merrill
Yes, but could you drive to the east coast or to Vancouver.
But what will the price difference be on a similarly equipped Bolt? (How much is the CCS charging option, etc. going to add?)
erthquake
Active Member
And The DC fast charger slows down after that, only giving 160 miles after an hour.
Well, that's true for lots of things. I remember it took many years for ATM machines to show up uniformly across the country. Tesla Superchargers did not instantaneously appear nationwide. The good news is that VW is mandated to spend lots of money soon on infrastructure including CCS so it will be rolling out nationally -- just getting a later start than Tesla but it's just now that we are getting the first CCS vehicle that has a long-range capable battery pack.Yeah! Screw those people live in the middle of the continent! People like me don't count for anything! We don't deserve EVs and access to fast charging networks!
I'll let you know when I try. It certainly would be trickier but I think some sparse areas can be overcome with slower driving and overnight stays at hotels with J1772. In 3-5 years it will be a much better story.
Canuck
Well-Known Member
I hope the Bolt is less expensive than the Model 3 and I hope that all other car makers make electric vehicles cheaper than the Model 3. That's what we want. There's no competition with other EV's and Tesla. The more in the market and the less expensive, the better. That's should be our goal here, since it's been Tesla's goal from the outset, and the reason they made their patents free for use in good faith.
SΞXY P100D
$ Trillion Musk
I'll wait for my Model 3 thanks!
Econobox
Sexiness
Enough said!
Econobox
Sexiness
Enough said!
diamond.g
Active Member
True, but based on what I have read about the roll out so far, they are Partnering with ChargePoint (not bad). They have built some 24kW and 50kW units (meh). An average of 50 miles apart from each other. Someone was saying (somewhere I forget if it were here or another site) that they looked it up and few of the locations have a backup form of charging, or have limited number of stalls. Though if they are only 50 miles apart maybe you won't have as much charge anxiety. The biggest kick in the teeth as far as I am concerned is the building of any 24kW units, that isn't that much better than 80A AC charging (not that anyone other than Tesla supports high powered AC charging).
garsh
Re Member
Actually, I'm surprised to see GM putting this much effort into electric vehicles. GM isn't going to take many chances - they'll wait and see if the market as a whole makes a switch to electrics before putting a whole lot more effort into it.
As for the number of Bolts they plan to make, I'd say they chose the correct number. Every other popular EV (Tesla Model S, Tesla Model X, Nissan Leaf, even Chevy Volt) has sold in very similar numbers. And they don't want to make too many, like they originally did with the Volt. I think they have a good, conservative plan.
Now, that's not what *we* want. We want a company to push the envelope, and usher in the era of electric cars. Luckily for us, we have Tesla, and they're going to do just that. GM has positioned themselves pretty well to be a "fast follower" once the market shifts towards EVs. I'm more worried about the fate of other manufacturers who aren't really doing anything with EVs.
Chopr147
Active Member
Good point garsh. GM is not in the market to lose money but having said that I wish they were more serious about EV's.
If they really tried i'm sure they could come up with something like an EV GMC Acadia or similar. That would sell! But trip re-charges must be addressed
If they really tried i'm sure they could come up with something like an EV GMC Acadia or similar. That would sell! But trip re-charges must be addressed
The Bolt would be a good grocery getter....if it was cheaper. It would be good as your day to day car if you had an ICE or rented for longer trips. It's too close in price to the Three though. It's only advantage right now is that it would be available sooner and you could get the full tax credit.
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