White Shadow
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Because it is a very balanced and capable chassis that puts a smile on our faces every time we turn a lap!
Fair enough. It's all about making smiles...
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Because it is a very balanced and capable chassis that puts a smile on our faces every time we turn a lap!
Think it would be more like .3 %. Which would be offset 50x by the warranty claims. “You gave us track mode the car breaking is your fault!” Can’t think of a bigger waste of time adding this feature.Just curious. How many MYP owners actually want to track their MYPs? I mean, you could track your MYP, or any reasonably safe car, on any given Saturday (also depends on what you mean by "tracking"). You don't need track mode to do it. I used to track my cars (by track, I mean an actual race track, setup for racing) and while I had a great time, I couldn't believe how expensive it was, especially tires (and given the weight of the MYP you will quickly go through very expensive tires). But what's the percentage of MYP owners who want Track Mode to actually track their cars? Three percent (maybe)? As a product manager, if I'm prioritizing features, and the possible upside of offering a Track Mode nets the company 3% more buyers of the product - AND I don't have a demand problem for my product where 3% makes a difference - I can tell you as a product manager I'd stack rank Track Mode towards the bottom of the backlog...
Yeah, no doubt. But does it actually move the needle for people to buy the car? I like what @Yelobird mentioned above. To that, I’d add the expense of developing it (software probably wouldn’t be bad considering M3 has it) and the cost (probably a lot) of testing it. Because Musk said it will happen, I believe it will… at some point. Maybe the EV6 GT will nudge it up the backlog. I’d say it’s a nice-to-have feature.Without track mode, the car will cut power pretty quickly. It cut power on my car on canyon runs on hot days pretty quickly. When I have track mode on, definitely can go longer and can monitor your heat levels on the car real time. Its a neat feature and I'm sure would actually serve Model Y Performance owners well. You don't have to go to the track to actually benefit from Track Mode.
Just curious. How many MYP owners actually want to track their MYPs? I mean, you could track your MYP, or any reasonably safe car, on any given Saturday (also depends on what you mean by "tracking"). You don't need track mode to do it. I used to track my cars (by track, I mean an actual race track, setup for racing) and while I had a great time, I couldn't believe how expensive it was, especially tires (and given the weight of the MYP you will quickly go through very expensive tires). But what's the percentage of MYP owners who want Track Mode to actually track their cars? Three percent (maybe)? As a product manager, if I'm prioritizing features, and the possible upside of offering a Track Mode nets the company 3% more buyers of the product - AND I don't have a demand problem for my product where 3% makes a difference - I can tell you as a product manager I'd stack rank Track Mode towards the bottom of the backlog...
Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone would want to track a Tesla at all. The cars are heavy. That makes them brutal on tires & brakes compared to lighter cars. The motors aren't really as good as LSD for coming out of turns on accelation. But if I really wanted to track a Tesla, it would for sure by the M3 over the MY.
Yeah but the absolute bare minimum you need is Track Mode. Just can’t make a track car without it for Model Y/3.Although EV's have many attributes that lend themselves for being great short track/ sporting cars (i.e. room to create ideal suspension geometry, low center of gravity, AWD torque vectoring, very torquey) there is more to making a great track car than those things. Namely proper wheels, tires, brakes, suspension, & aero/ downforce to a certain extent.
These items can not be improved through programming alone, if at all.
Agreed with @Apprunner . When I try driving my M3P truly hard outside of Track Mode the nannies put a stop to it quick. You cannot power out of a corner exit properly, it car won't give much power at all until the steering is pointed straight. I assume MYP is the same. And it sometimes grabs a little brake mid-corner just from getting very close to the car's cornering limits, without otherwise exceeding them.Yeah but the absolute bare minimum you need is Track Mode. Just can’t make a track car without it for Model Y/3.
Those weren't my words, I merely stated a way to normalize is use % R&D of budget.Not when the statement was made that Tesla spends "much more on R&D than any other legacy makers..." it's not. And for what it's worth, it's not a percentage of income. Tesla spends more R&D money per car sold than other auto manufacturers. The problem is, Tesla doesn't sell many cars compared to the big legacy automakers.
Sorry, there's just no way to flip the script here. If someone is going to make a bold claim, then be accurate. Dollars spent is dollars spent. The qualifer of per car sold wasn't included, so the statement is factually wrong.
when will you ever need it, really? are you truly going to track your Model Y or EV6? it's mostly for dick waving competition.
Spending 3-4 years fixing glaring flaws with the initial model run is sorta like innovation I supposeThe difference though is that with other Tesla models there has been constant and relentless innovation and improvement to the models that was very noticeable to consumers.
Model 3 saw numerous performance and other improvements in just the first 24 months the model was available.
The rate of innovation seems to be tapering off, could be due to shrinking margins, Tesla coasting too much, etc.
At the end of the day the competition benefits all of us. If nobody pushes Tesla then they will just keep selling marginal iterations of the tech year after year, kind of like what Apple does now that the fire has gone out.
Agreed with @Apprunner . When I try driving my M3P truly hard outside of Track Mode the nannies put a stop to it quick. You cannot power out of a corner exit properly, it car won't give much power at all until the steering is pointed straight. I assume MYP is the same. And it sometimes grabs a little brake mid-corner just from getting very close to the car's cornering limits, without otherwise exceeding them.
If you've never done a track day before I could see still having a great time for day 1. But once you have any experience, it would be super frustrating to try tracking these cars without Track Mode, or some other means to dial back the nannies.
(Now personally I feel like tracking a crossover is just weird, doesn't feel right at all, and I don't think the HPDE groups I used to run would've allowed it due to rollover risk. But it's a new era now, crossovers are everywhere, and MYP center-of-gravity is low so it should be safe enough.)
Do you own a MYP? if you did, you would understand...also in poor tasteThis track mode and 0 to 60 in the mid 3s makes me think of Anne Heche today.