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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Have prices come down?

My tariff is

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It also says:

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Have prices come down?

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Yes they have since 1st of July. Day rate is now 31p vs your 37p.
And you standing charge is huge too, the new one is 36. All in all would make up some nice savings. You should ring them up and ask to exit your fixed IO to be moved to the Variable IO one.
Try to explain it clearly to the phone operators, they might not understand what you are asking at first, few are aware of the difference between the two.
 
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Just swapped over to IO. Tesla all set up.

So how does this work then….?

(I Only need to add about 9% today.)

Ready by time set to: 05:30

Extra slots given: 06:30-0700 and 0700-0730 !

Seems a bit odd. Slots after the “ready by time” ?

What If I leave at 05:30? Then no charging could have happened. I’m confused 😕

Anyone seen this before? Is it normal?

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Just swapped over to IO. Tesla all set up.

So how does this work then….?

(I Only need to add about 9% today.)

Ready by time set to: 05:30

Extra slots given: 06:30-0700 and 0700-0730 !

Seems a bit odd. Slots after the “ready by time” ?

What If I leave at 05:30? Then no charging could have happened. I’m confused 😕

Anyone seen this before? Is it normal?

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That is very odd!

The schedule is dynamic and can change quite a bit, but I admit that's the first time I've ever seen that!
 
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Just swapped over to IO. Tesla all set up.

So how does this work then….?

(I Only need to add about 9% today.)

Ready by time set to: 05:30

Extra slots given: 06:30-0700 and 0700-0730 !

Seems a bit odd. Slots after the “ready by time” ?

What If I leave at 05:30? Then no charging could have happened. I’m confused 😕

Anyone seen this before? Is it normal?

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Teething problems maybe? If you don't need to be away by 5.30 maybe just leave it and see what happens.

If you don't like the schedule you have been given, tweak the charge limit and ready by time and it will likely reschedule.
 
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Teething problems maybe? If you don't need to be away by 5.30 maybe just leave it and see what happens.

If you don't like the schedule you have been given, tweak the charge limit and ready by time and it will likely reschedule.
I don’t need it for either time to be honest. Just experimenting on the first smart charge. The juice will come out of the batteries at the moment anyway.

I didn’t change any settings just plugged it in and that’s what I got.

@browellm;

Yeah it did change. First it was only 06:30-0700, then when I checked back it added 0700-0730 as well !
 
I don’t need it for either time to be honest. Just experimenting on the first smart charge. The juice will come out of the batteries at the moment anyway.

I didn’t change any settings just plugged it in and that’s what I got.

@browellm;

Yeah it did change. First it was only 06:30-0700, then when I checked back it added 0700-0730 as well !
Have you pulled the page down to refresh it?
sometimes it gives you a schedule from a previous setting and hasn’t updated, maybe adjust the time to 5am and see what happens
 
Ok, so the results were;

The car charged to 84% (276 miles). Last time I charged to 85% ‘manually’ (non smart) I was showing 277 miles; so that’s close enough for me (even though it looks like it’s “1%” short, it’s only 1 mile short. The car said it had 5 mins left to complete at 05:30 and the car (off peak end time schedule) stopped any more charging (any charging at peak rate).
Two blasts: one of 20 mins and then the last one 30 mins (why would you program it that way? Makes more sense the other way around; 30mins then 20mins + 10 min ramp down buffer no?)

Some observations;
1) When I did the test charge I used the Tesla, Wall connector option. I set the amperage to 30A during the test charge (instead of the normal 32A) not sure if this has any effect or not or it’s remembered(?) Why? To give an extra bit of time at the end for the car to do it’s ramping down. Maybe test charge at 28A or 26A would have been better? During normal winter use I’ll use 32A in the car.
2) When the car charged I had it set to 26A ~ why? Because I don’t want to draw anything from the grid only from battery at the moment! 26A is 6kW and my background is 200-600w. And you can see that the max ‘house’ draw touched 7.3kW at one point from the graph below. So that worked well. (Max battery discharge rate from my 2 GE inverters is 7.4kW)
This could possibly be a reason why it only hit 84%. But it was close, damned close. Maybe 84.7% ?
I know the energy is supposed to come from the grid not the batteries and that’s the whole IO smart charging point but this was just a test to make sure autumn/ winter operations work as expected !
3) When the charge was completed, I no longer see the extra slots in the Octopus app. (See last pic) So have they been removed? I presume so, but have they? Is this what normally happens? Or would they still show up if they were ‘active’ even though the car has finished. Or do they get removed once your charge target is complete?
4) Compared to OVO smart charge it worked similarly, except I seemed to get many more shorter blasts before with OVO and it always reached the target as well.)

All in all the ‘zero-day exploit’ Smart charge worked perfectly. Despite (or perhaps because of?) some of my tinkering.


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