Wiki Everything you wanted to know about Intelligent Octopus But Were Afraid To Ask

browellm · Aug 4, 2023

rowedav said:
Hmmm. Fair point. I may remove the schedule then for my 1st IO charge tonight and just stop any initial charging via the Tesla app. I’m interested to see how this all works lol

I lot of people don't want the faff of stopping the charge in the app, which I get. But it's just second nature for me to stop it now.

rowedav · Aug 4, 2023

Yeah I don’t mind it either. Anyway got a schedule after about 15mins so ‘so far, so good’

rowedav · Aug 6, 2023

Two overnight charges done on IO now. Absolutely no issues so far, and find the extra slots can be very handy too. Happy days

As ever, threads like this are so useful and full of info

Dannon319 · Aug 8, 2023

rowedav said:
Two overnight charges done on IO now. Absolutely no issues so far, and find the extra slots can be very handy too. Happy days

As ever, threads like this are so useful and full of info

I’m interested to know what sort of interaction you’ve got between the Tesla and the IO app… have you got any charge target or schedule set on the Tesla side or is it all being controlled by IO?

Dannon319 · Aug 8, 2023

browellm said:
Hi as you have an Ohme, I would suggest you use their native integration with IO rather than the Tesla API. There are a couple of worthwhile advantages. There is a useful Facebook group that will help you get set up with Ohme integration Ohme EVSE Integration with Intelligent Octopus Tariff Group | Facebook

Thank you!

Drew57 · Aug 8, 2023

Dannon319 said:
I’m interested to know what sort of interaction you’ve got between the Tesla and the IO app… have you got any charge target or schedule set on the Tesla side or is it all being controlled by IO?

Let only IO control everything and it will work, it's very simple.

Set the Tesla app to the same target SOC as the Octopus app.
Choose 'ready by' time in the Octopus app.
Stop the initial plug-in charge via the Tesla app a few seconds after the charging starts.

MadScientist · Aug 8, 2023

I usually get a schedule within 30 min of plugging\stopping the charging (as soon asit gets to 7kw). Tonight however nothing after 3 hours. I hope it’s going to charge.

xreyuk · Aug 8, 2023

MadScientist said:
I usually get a schedule within 30 min of plugging\stopping the charging (as soon asit gets to 7kw). Tonight however nothing after 3 hours. I hope it’s going to charge.

Sometimes I have to wake the car and force close/reopen the octopus app to get it to show the schedule. It still makes one, it just doesn't show it until I do that.

browellm · Aug 8, 2023

xreyuk said:
Sometimes I have to wake the car and force close/reopen the octopus app to get it to show the schedule. It still makes one, it just doesn't show it until I do that.

This.

If all else fails, disable smart charging in the Octopus app. Wait about a minute then re-enable smart charging.

This will force the Octopus app to poll the Tesla API and you should get a schedule a minute or two later.

Lx2m3 · Aug 9, 2023

I would like clarification of the operation of the IO tariff.
I use “Time-Based” Control in my App and assumed this would cause charging from the grid only during the assigned charging schedule, however it uses a significant amount of battery power from my Powerwall during (usually) the last two scheduled times.
Sometimes it would be useful to do a top-up charge from surplus battery power using “Self Powered” option at a lower current to limit output. Would this work?
Another issue I have is the charging level. If I set the car or App to 90% and Octopus to 85% it charges to 90%. - Why?
My Octopus settings: Ready by time 05:30, Charge limit 85%.
Tesla settings: Depart by 05:30. Charge limit 90%.
Comments, suggestions welcome.

Avendit · Aug 9, 2023

Its taken a couple of weeks but IO is now enabled on my account, thanks all for the help getting here.

Next stage is getting my battery working with IO. I can happily pull historical data, and tomorrow's agile pricing is in the public api, but how do I get -my- IO slots for tomorrow?

I think I've found a node red integration (GitHub - boysie123/octopus) I can *cough* adjust from agile to work with this if I can work out where to get the data from. Advantage here is that the victron based battery system has node-red integrated and can issue proper controls

Or there is an HA IO integration that looks great (GitHub - megakid/ha_octopus_intelligent), but the HA integration for victron is pretty limited in it can't set charge schedules for the battery, just IMPORT, EXPORT or BALANCE commands. HA can also take some control over the heat pump to take advantage of any extra slots.

hmmm. Anyone any thoughts/ideas? I am slightly concerned that I'm going to fry something at some point - I re-use, adjust and borrow code, I am not a coder in any way shape or form these days. I retrieve my solcast data using excel and a couple of pivot tables

.

goRt · Aug 9, 2023

Avendit said:
Its taken a couple of weeks but IO is now enabled on my account, thanks all for the help getting here.

Next stage is getting my battery working with IO. I can happily pull historical data, and tomorrow's agile pricing is in the public api, but how do I get -my- IO slots for tomorrow?

I think I've found a node red integration (GitHub - boysie123/octopus) I can *cough* adjust from agile to work with this if I can work out where to get the data from. Advantage here is that the victron based battery system has node-red integrated and can issue proper controls

Or there is an HA IO integration that looks great (GitHub - megakid/ha_octopus_intelligent), but the HA integration for victron is pretty limited in it can't set charge schedules for the battery, just IMPORT, EXPORT or BALANCE commands. HA can also take some control over the heat pump to take advantage of any extra slots.

hmmm. Anyone any thoughts/ideas? I am slightly concerned that I'm going to fry something at some point - I re-use, adjust and borrow code, I am not a coder in any way shape or form these days. I retrieve my solcast data using excel and a couple of pivot tables .

Nodered reads the kraken data for me which I then use to control the battery charging
I wrote my own js for kraken

Avendit · Aug 9, 2023

goRt said:
Nodered reads the kraken data for me which I then use to control the battery charging
I wrote my own js for kraken

Is kraken just the agile API?

Also, this evening's slots are set, but I'm only needing 75-90%. It's given me

Screenshot_2023-08-09-23-23-25-08_903d05fe1ae9780ffdf8ae337b6c882e.jpg

But realistically it's going to start around 11:30, and finish in an hour or 2 - if the car doesn't need the 6-6:30 slot, I won't get it will I? Just working out rules for running the heat pump as in winter that 6am slot would be very advantageous!

rowedav · Aug 9, 2023

Dannon319 said:
I’m interested to know what sort of interaction you’ve got between the Tesla and the IO app… have you got any charge target or schedule set on the Tesla side or is it all being controlled by IO?

I’ve put the charge limit in the car to 100%, so I can just set the actual limit in Octopus to what I need. Usually charge to 90% as the car advises. Then just leave it to IO. The only other thing I do is manually stop the initial charge via the Tesla app after plugging in

A few people have mentioned disabling the smart charge setting in the Octopus app - where and how do you do this? I’ve looked and couldn’t see any such option.

Edit: found it

goRt · Aug 9, 2023

Avendit said:
Is kraken just the agile API?

Also, this evening's slots are set, but I'm only needing 75-90%. It's given me
View attachment 963593
But realistically it's going to start around 11:30, and finish in an hour or 2 - if the car doesn't need the 6-6:30 slot, I won't get it will I? Just working out rules for running the heat pump as in winter that 6am slot would be very advantageous!

No, IO sits on its own API - kraken

I check the API at the start of every 30 minute period to make sure the slots haven't changed

Here's the hard part of the JS using Axios:

Code:

//see what SLOTS are on my account
//Intelligent Octopus
//https://api.octopus.energy/v1/graphql

//OP1 - Something to process
//OP2 - get a new token
//OP3 - back round in 10s

//msg.IntelliCommand = "IntelliSlots" "IntelliPercent" "IntelliEnable" "IntelliDisable"


require = global.get('require');
const axios = require('axios')
var TeslaCharge = global.get('TargetSoC')


var AxiosResponse, OctopusID, authToken, DateNow, CurrentTime, CurrentHour, CurrentMinute, DPTime
var CurrentRate, KrakenURL, KrakenQuery, KrakenQueryHeader, ElectricRate, input, targetTime

OctopusID = global.get("OctopusID") //account ID A-xxxx
//OctopusID = Buffer.from(OctopusID).toString('base64')

var KrakenInstruction = msg.IntelliCommand

console.log("KrakenInstruction", KrakenInstruction)

authToken = flow.get("KrakenToken")

var ReadyBy = global.get('ReadyBy') || 2359
if (ReadyBy !== 2359) {
    //var targetTime = ReadyBy.substring(0, 1) + ":" + ReadyBy.substring(2, 3)
    var ReadyHour = Math.round(ReadyBy/100)
    var ReadyMinute = ReadyBy - (ReadyHour *100)
    if (ReadyMinute === 0) {
        ReadyMinute = "00"
    }
    if (ReadyBy < 1000) {
        targetTime = "0" + ReadyHour + ":" + ReadyMinute
    } else {
        targetTime = ReadyHour + ":" + ReadyMinute
    }
    global.set("ReadyByChange", false)
    //console.log("targetTime", targetTime)
} else {
    targetTime = "09:00"
}

//targetTime = "09:00"
var targetSocPercent = TeslaCharge


KrakenURL = "https://api.octopus.energy/v1/graphql/"


if (KrakenInstruction === "IntelliSlots") {
    KrakenQuery = {
        "query": `query AnyOldName($accountNumber: String!) {
                vehicleChargingPreferences(accountNumber: $accountNumber) {
                    weekdayTargetTime,
                    weekdayTargetSoc,
                    weekendTargetTime,
                    weekendTargetSoc
                }
                registeredKrakenflexDevice(accountNumber: $accountNumber) {
                    krakenflexDeviceId
                    provider
                    vehicleMake
                    vehicleModel
                    vehicleBatterySizeInKwh
                    chargePointMake
                    chargePointModel
                    chargePointPowerInKw
                    status
                    suspended
                    hasToken
                    createdAt
                }
                plannedDispatches(accountNumber: $accountNumber) {
                    startDtUtc: startDt
                    endDtUtc: endDt
                    chargeKwh: delta
                    meta {
                        source
                        location
                    }
                }
            }` ,
        "variables": { "accountNumber": OctopusID }
    }
} else if (KrakenInstruction === "IntelliPercent") {
    console.log("Updating the Kraken charge %age")
    KrakenQuery = {
        "query": `mutation setVehicleChargePreferences($accountNumber: String!, $targetTime: String!, $targetSocPercent: Int!) {
            setVehicleChargePreferences(input: { accountNumber: $accountNumber, weekdayTargetTime: $targetTime, weekendTargetTime: $targetTime, weekdayTargetSoc: $targetSocPercent, weekendTargetSoc: $targetSocPercent }) {
              krakenflexDevice {
                    krakenflexDeviceId
                }
            }
        }` , //this one stays
        "variables": { "accountNumber": OctopusID, "targetTime": targetTime, "targetSocPercent": targetSocPercent },
    }
} else if (KrakenInstruction === "IntelliEnable") {
    KrakenQuery = {
        "query": `mutation resumeControl($accountNumber: String!) {
            resumeControl(input: { accountNumber: $accountNumber }) {
              krakenflexDevice {
                krakenflexDeviceId
                }
            }
        }` , //this one stays
        "variables": { "accountNumber": OctopusID },
    }
} else if (KrakenInstruction === "IntelliDisable") {
    KrakenQuery = {
        "query": `mutation suspendControl($accountNumber: String!) {
            suspendControl(input: { accountNumber: $accountNumber }) {
              krakenflexDevice {
                krakenflexDeviceId
                }
            }
        }` , //this one stays
        "variables": { "accountNumber": OctopusID },
    }
} else {
    console.log("Unknown KrakenInstruction", KrakenInstruction)
    return
}

var basicAuth = authToken

KrakenQueryHeader = basicAuth

axios.defaults.headers.post['Authorization'] = `JWT ${KrakenQueryHeader}`  // for POST requests

input = await axiosTest(KrakenURL, KrakenQuery)

return

//async function axiosTest(KrakenURL, KrakenQuery, KrakenQueryHeader) {
async function axiosTest(KrakenURL, KrakenQuery) {
    axios.post(KrakenURL, KrakenQuery)
        .then(function (result) {
            AxiosResponse = result
            //flow.set("EarlyQueryResult", AxiosResponse.data.data)
            //flow.set("EarlyQueryResult", AxiosResponse)
            if (AxiosResponse.data.errors !== undefined) { //we have some error to process
                if (AxiosResponse.data.errors[0].message === "Signature of the JWT has expired.") {
                    node.send([[null], [msg]]) //need a new token
                    //console.log("Getting a token")
                    return
                }
                else {  //not a real error
                    console.log("Not a real error") //ValidAnswer(AxiosResponse)
                    return
                    //flow.set("KrakenToken",result.data.data.obtainKrakenToken.token)
                }
                return
            }
            else {
                msg.ValidAnswer = AxiosResponse
                node.send([[msg], [null]]) //off to processing
                return
            }
            return
        })
        .catch(function (error) {
            if (error.response) {
                // Request made and server responded
                var AxiosError = error.response
                if (error.response.status === 408) {
                    console.log("408 sleeping")
                    node.send([[null], [msg]])
                    //return (error)
                }
                else if (error.status = 500) {
                        console.log("500 Internal Server Error")
                        node.send([[null], [null], [msg]])
                    }
                
                else {
                    console.log("Some other error")
                    flow.set(KrakenInstruction + "-error", AxiosError)
                    //return (error)
                }
            } else if (error.request) {
                // The request was made but no response was received
                console.log("The request was made but no response was received");
                node.send([[null], [null], [msg]])
                flow.set(KrakenInstruction + "-request", AxiosError)
                //return (error)
            } else {
                // Something happened in setting up the request that triggered an Error
                console.log("Something happened in setting up the request that triggered an Error", AxiosError);
                flow.set(KrakenInstruction + "-other", AxiosError)
                //return (error)
            }
            //return
        }) //end of catch
    return
}

goRt · Aug 10, 2023

goRt said:

No, IO sits on its own API - kraken

I check the API at the start of every 30 minute period to make sure the slots haven't changed

Here's the hard part of the JS using Axios:

Code:

//see what SLOTS are on my account
//Intelligent Octopus
//https://api.octopus.energy/v1/graphql

//OP1 - Something to process
//OP2 - get a new token
//OP3 - back round in 10s

//msg.IntelliCommand = "IntelliSlots" "IntelliPercent" "IntelliEnable" "IntelliDisable"


require = global.get('require');
const axios = require('axios')
var TeslaCharge = global.get('TargetSoC')


var AxiosResponse, OctopusID, authToken, DateNow, CurrentTime, CurrentHour, CurrentMinute, DPTime
var CurrentRate, KrakenURL, KrakenQuery, KrakenQueryHeader, ElectricRate, input, targetTime

OctopusID = global.get("OctopusID") //account ID A-xxxx
//OctopusID = Buffer.from(OctopusID).toString('base64')

var KrakenInstruction = msg.IntelliCommand

console.log("KrakenInstruction", KrakenInstruction)

authToken = flow.get("KrakenToken")

var ReadyBy = global.get('ReadyBy') || 2359
if (ReadyBy !== 2359) {
    //var targetTime = ReadyBy.substring(0, 1) + ":" + ReadyBy.substring(2, 3)
    var ReadyHour = Math.round(ReadyBy/100)
    var ReadyMinute = ReadyBy - (ReadyHour *100)
    if (ReadyMinute === 0) {
        ReadyMinute = "00"
    }
    if (ReadyBy < 1000) {
        targetTime = "0" + ReadyHour + ":" + ReadyMinute
    } else {
        targetTime = ReadyHour + ":" + ReadyMinute
    }
    global.set("ReadyByChange", false)
    //console.log("targetTime", targetTime)
} else {
    targetTime = "09:00"
}

//targetTime = "09:00"
var targetSocPercent = TeslaCharge


KrakenURL = "https://api.octopus.energy/v1/graphql/"


if (KrakenInstruction === "IntelliSlots") {
    KrakenQuery = {
        "query": `query AnyOldName($accountNumber: String!) {
                vehicleChargingPreferences(accountNumber: $accountNumber) {
                    weekdayTargetTime,
                    weekdayTargetSoc,
                    weekendTargetTime,
                    weekendTargetSoc
                }
                registeredKrakenflexDevice(accountNumber: $accountNumber) {
                    krakenflexDeviceId
                    provider
                    vehicleMake
                    vehicleModel
                    vehicleBatterySizeInKwh
                    chargePointMake
                    chargePointModel
                    chargePointPowerInKw
                    status
                    suspended
                    hasToken
                    createdAt
                }
                plannedDispatches(accountNumber: $accountNumber) {
                    startDtUtc: startDt
                    endDtUtc: endDt
                    chargeKwh: delta
                    meta {
                        source
                        location
                    }
                }
            }` ,
        "variables": { "accountNumber": OctopusID }
    }
} else if (KrakenInstruction === "IntelliPercent") {
    console.log("Updating the Kraken charge %age")
    KrakenQuery = {
        "query": `mutation setVehicleChargePreferences($accountNumber: String!, $targetTime: String!, $targetSocPercent: Int!) {
            setVehicleChargePreferences(input: { accountNumber: $accountNumber, weekdayTargetTime: $targetTime, weekendTargetTime: $targetTime, weekdayTargetSoc: $targetSocPercent, weekendTargetSoc: $targetSocPercent }) {
              krakenflexDevice {
                    krakenflexDeviceId
                }
            }
        }` , //this one stays
        "variables": { "accountNumber": OctopusID, "targetTime": targetTime, "targetSocPercent": targetSocPercent },
    }
} else if (KrakenInstruction === "IntelliEnable") {
    KrakenQuery = {
        "query": `mutation resumeControl($accountNumber: String!) {
            resumeControl(input: { accountNumber: $accountNumber }) {
              krakenflexDevice {
                krakenflexDeviceId
                }
            }
        }` , //this one stays
        "variables": { "accountNumber": OctopusID },
    }
} else if (KrakenInstruction === "IntelliDisable") {
    KrakenQuery = {
        "query": `mutation suspendControl($accountNumber: String!) {
            suspendControl(input: { accountNumber: $accountNumber }) {
              krakenflexDevice {
                krakenflexDeviceId
                }
            }
        }` , //this one stays
        "variables": { "accountNumber": OctopusID },
    }
} else {
    console.log("Unknown KrakenInstruction", KrakenInstruction)
    return
}

var basicAuth = authToken

KrakenQueryHeader = basicAuth

axios.defaults.headers.post['Authorization'] = `JWT ${KrakenQueryHeader}`  // for POST requests

input = await axiosTest(KrakenURL, KrakenQuery)

return

//async function axiosTest(KrakenURL, KrakenQuery, KrakenQueryHeader) {
async function axiosTest(KrakenURL, KrakenQuery) {
    axios.post(KrakenURL, KrakenQuery)
        .then(function (result) {
            AxiosResponse = result
            //flow.set("EarlyQueryResult", AxiosResponse.data.data)
            //flow.set("EarlyQueryResult", AxiosResponse)
            if (AxiosResponse.data.errors !== undefined) { //we have some error to process
                if (AxiosResponse.data.errors[0].message === "Signature of the JWT has expired.") {
                    node.send([[null], [msg]]) //need a new token
                    //console.log("Getting a token")
                    return
                }
                else {  //not a real error
                    console.log("Not a real error") //ValidAnswer(AxiosResponse)
                    return
                    //flow.set("KrakenToken",result.data.data.obtainKrakenToken.token)
                }
                return
            }
            else {
                msg.ValidAnswer = AxiosResponse
                node.send([[msg], [null]]) //off to processing
                return
            }
            return
        })
        .catch(function (error) {
            if (error.response) {
                // Request made and server responded
                var AxiosError = error.response
                if (error.response.status === 408) {
                    console.log("408 sleeping")
                    node.send([[null], [msg]])
                    //return (error)
                }
                else if (error.status = 500) {
                        console.log("500 Internal Server Error")
                        node.send([[null], [null], [msg]])
                    }
               
                else {
                    console.log("Some other error")
                    flow.set(KrakenInstruction + "-error", AxiosError)
                    //return (error)
                }
            } else if (error.request) {
                // The request was made but no response was received
                console.log("The request was made but no response was received");
                node.send([[null], [null], [msg]])
                flow.set(KrakenInstruction + "-request", AxiosError)
                //return (error)
            } else {
                // Something happened in setting up the request that triggered an Error
                console.log("Something happened in setting up the request that triggered an Error", AxiosError);
                flow.set(KrakenInstruction + "-other", AxiosError)
                //return (error)
            }
            //return
        }) //end of catch
    return
}

Making a token (needed first time, only last for about 60 mins)

JavaScript:

//Intelligent Octopus
//https://api.octopus.energy/v1/graphql

require = global.get('require');
const axios = require('axios')

const OctoAccount = global.get("OctopusID") //api ID A-xxxx
const OctoKey = global.get("OctopusKey") //api key

var OctoAuth = {
  auth: {
    "username": OctoKey,
    //password: pass
  }
}

var FirstURL = `https://api.octopus.energy/v1/graphql/`

var FirstData = {
    "query": `mutation krakenTokenAuthentication($api: String!) {
        obtainKrakenToken(input: {APIKey: $api}) {
            token
        }
        }`,
    "variables": {'api': OctoKey}
}

console.log("Making a kraken token")

function axiosTest(FirstURL, FirstData) {
    const response = axios.post(FirstURL,FirstData)
    .then(function (result) {
        var AxiosResponse = result
        //flow.set("KrakenResult",result)
        flow.set("KrakenToken",result.data.data.obtainKrakenToken.token)
        node.send ([msg])
        return
    })
    .catch (function (error) {
        flow.set("KrakenTokenError",error)
        return error
    })
    return response
}


//input =  await axiosTest(FirstURL,FirstHeaders, FirstData)
var input =  axiosTest(FirstURL, FirstData)
//console.log(input)
//flow.set('input',input)

EyUpLad · Aug 10, 2023

Does anyone know how (or even if) I can change my charging vehicle on IO? I've got a home Podpoint charger which I use with the IO app to charge my model Y overnight. However the Y is currently at Tesla for repairs so i've got a loaner for a few weeks (probably).

Can I set it to still schedule overnight charges on the loaner vehicle as it does my own, or do I just have to manually plug it in after 23:30 every night for the cheap stuff?!

browellm · Aug 10, 2023

EyUpLad said:
Does anyone know how (or even if) I can change my charging vehicle on IO? I've got a home Podpoint charger which I use with the IO app to charge my model Y overnight. However the Y is currently at Tesla for repairs so i've got a loaner for a few weeks (probably).

Can I set it to still schedule overnight charges on the loaner vehicle as it does my own, or do I just have to manually plug it in after 23:30 every night for the cheap stuff?!

Yes, just remove your current vehicle and do the onboarding with the loaner. Settings > Devices > Intelligent Octopus > Disconnect Device

Yuff · Aug 10, 2023

Avendit said:
Is kraken just the agile API?

Also, this evening's slots are set, but I'm only needing 75-90%. It's given me
View attachment 963593
But realistically it's going to start around 11:30, and finish in an hour or 2 - if the car doesn't need the 6-6:30 slot, I won't get it will I? Just working out rules for running the heat pump as in winter that 6am slot would be very advantageous!

The beauty of IO is it’s flexibilty as you can chose when you want your schedule, so if you want a schedule in the morning just request a schedule early morning and the time you want to leave, eg 8am And you should get a schedule until 8am.
You don’t have to charge during the off peak hours, as long as you let octopus control the charging you’ll get the extra slots

exlatccatsa · Aug 14, 2023

Someone said that you can't be on a high export tariff with IO.
I came back from holiday yesterday abd that's exactly what happened. I was on IO till April, them switched to Flux fir the high export rates.
I plugged the M3 in yesterday to give it a solar charge, having arrived home at 10%. IO created a charging cycle in the app.
The car was plugged into the Zappi, which I have never used for IO, I have a dumb charger for that.
My problem is now that IO has kept the car awake all night and I now only have 2% .. not enough to go shopping even.
I've posed the question to Octopus, asking how I can be smart charging and be on Flux at the same time.. IO still wants to control my solar charging by not charging on eco+ mode so I'll have to find a work around. I'm away again, without the car for a few weeks and was hoping as usual to leave the car plugged in and slowly top it up from solar.. but I'm not sure I can take the risk of IO depleting the battery.
Any quick solutions/ suggestions as I leave on Wed morning? Apart from leaving the car unplugged.

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