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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Simply put: I don’t trust the system enough yet. Maybe one night I just let it do what it needs to and see how it gets on.
If you use teslafi or similar you can easily look back at all the little charge sessions that added up. I find that with sentry mode switched on, IO often falls slightly short of the target I set, having hit the target early and then sentry mode uses up 3 or 4% by the requested deadline. I always allow for a few extra percent for this, but other than that it works perfectly for me.
 
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Hi guys,

New to IO here.

Had a scan through the pages but there’s a lot so thought I’d ask for any recent experiences.

IO didn’t charge my car (M3LR) last night despite giving a slot of 3.30-4.00am (car was at 76% with limit of 80% - so some room to charge).
This also happened earlier in the day where it gave me a slot of 11.30-12.00 (however not sure if this is a 12 or 24hour time format in the app - either way it didn’t charge at either 11.30am or 11.30pm).

I have a podpoint charger which I have made dumb, and I also removed the scheduled charging from the car, so I’m out of ideas.

If anybody can impart wisdom that would be great.

I’m thinking if it doesn’t work then I’ll just set my car back to scheduled but from 11.30pm each night…(how it used to be with OctopusGo).
 
Try again tonight, I received an alert from Tessie last night saying it was unable to control my car for an automation, and when I tried the Tesla app (this was about 1:30am) I was getting the 540 error, so don't know if tesla had some issues last night.
 
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(car was at 76% with limit of 80% - so some room to charge).
Not necessarily.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.
 
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Try again tonight, I received an alert from Tessie last night saying it was unable to control my car for an automation, and when I tried the Tesla app (this was about 1:30am) I was getting the 540 error, so don't know if tesla had some issues last night.
Thanks - I’ll give it a go tonight and see what happens 👍🏽 if it fails again I’ll just revert back to scheduled charging
 
Have they changed anything with the way the bill IO? I haven’t been billed for electricity for the past 2 months now. They still seeing readings so wondered if they’d changed it to quarterly payments.
As @Pink Duck says, check if you have some missing data. I've had this happen several times now and it seems to break the automatic billing. An email to Octopus results in it being sorted out
 
Have they changed anything with the way the bill IO? I haven’t been billed for electricity for the past 2 months now. They still seeing readings so wondered if they’d changed it to quarterly payments.


Same here. I noticed there were gaps and emailed them and the gaps got filled late October yet I didn't get a bill. Another Email about a week ago and yesterday was billed about £20 from the 3rd to the 7th of October :confused: and then Got an email back from an agent saying the were unable to manually bill me and have raised it with a colleague.

There are no gaps in my readings so I suspect it might be the side that tallies intelligent side of things 🤷‍♂️
 
It's rumoured that Tesla (and other car manufacturers) may block energy companies like Octopus from the car API access. As i also have a Tesla Wall Connector I'm curious as to whether they might be able to access that instead for Octopus Intelligent?
 
It's rumoured that Tesla (and other car manufacturers) may block energy companies like Octopus from the car API access. As i also have a Tesla Wall Connector I'm curious as to whether they might be able to access that instead for Octopus Intelligent?
It's already happened with Audi. It's not just energy companies they're blocking. They want to limit API calls to their platform because they are tight-arses who don't want to pay for the infrastructure it sits on and would rather you subscribed to heated seats or some other BS.

I think it's very unlikely the Tesla wall connector will be directly supported. It took Ohme & Zappi months of work on their back-ends to get their EVSEs intgrated. I just don't see that as a priority of Tesla when they are offering API via the car through the new paid fleet API.
 
It's already happened with Audi. It's not just energy companies they're blocking. They want to limit API calls to their platform because they are tight-arses who don't want to pay for the infrastructure it sits on and would rather you subscribed to heated seats or some other BS.

I think it's very unlikely the Tesla wall connector will be directly supported. It took Ohme & Zappi months of work on their back-ends to get their EVSEs intgrated. I just don't see that as a priority of Tesla when they are offering API via the car through the new paid fleet API.
So what would that do for non Fleet Teslas? (I.e. is it worth moving to Octopus Intelligent.?)
 
So what would that do for non Fleet Teslas? (I.e. is it worth moving to Octopus Intelligent.?)
Yes, it's worth moving if you do the mileage to warrant it over something like Tracker or Agile.

Octopus are trialling the fleet API so I wouldn't worry about future compatibility, although if it stopped working tomorrow Octopus allow you to move tariffs without penalty so you're in a no-lose situation come what may.