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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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You could try disconnecting the car as a device in the octopus app and re- adding it.

You can have the Octopus app on two phones at the same time. Just log in using the same credentials on your phone.
Whoever makes the last change it should reflect on both Octopus apps

Also with 2 users on the Tesla app.
thanks @Pete UK , am going to try @browellm suggestions first , just difficult when I need a full bat first thing everyday during the week then out all day.

Good to know makes no difference if app installed on two phones, I did wonder if that was the issue.
 
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I asked this question to Octopus;

Hi Kelvin,

Thank you for reaching out to us regarding the 'unable to control your devices' notifications you've been receiving. I apologise for any confusion or inconvenience this may have caused.

Based on the information you provided, it seems that the notifications occur when Octopus requests the first charge period, even though the charging starts as per the Intelligent Octopus (IO) schedule. I understand your concern and I'm here to help.

Please be assured that there is no need to be concerned about these notifications. They are a result of a delay in the communication between Octopus and your Tesla Model 3. The charging is still happening according to the IO schedule, even if the notification is received later.

If you have any further questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to let me know. I'm here to assist you.

Kind regards,
 
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Has anyone else ever had alerts from the Octopus app in the middle of an overnight charging session saying “Unable to control your device”?
The Octopus app is controlling IO via my Tesla M3 as I have a dumb charger.

This is the schedule that it was due to follow:
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And this is a screenshot of the alerts from the app:
View attachment 1009002

The Tesla was fully charged this morning, so I guess that they were stop commands that they were sending.
I’ve had this about 3 or 4 times.
Sometimes it’s charged normally but other times the CB on our charger has tripped. Not sure why. Maybe overloaded something.
 
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Yeah worth remembering that when that error pops up it's either a very transient problem (more common), or it could be evidence of a much longer communications outage (less common). In that respect it's not a very helpful message as there's no follow up to say "comms restored" or similar.
 
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thanks @Pete UK , am going to try @browellm suggestions first , just difficult when I need a full bat first thing everyday during the week then out all day.

Good to know makes no difference if app installed on two phones, I did wonder if that was the issue.
@browellm , so was able to test this out, car didn't start charging, i let it run over the scheduled start time on the octopus app by a good 30mins before manually starting the charge, no errors from the Octopus app, have raised a query with their CC team.
 
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Hi @Pete UK , thats the only thing we haven’t tried. They came back to us this morning stating its a tesla / podpoint issue, bit of a generic, not my problem gov type email.

Does removing and reinstating the car throw up any other issues, should i let octopus know I'm doing it do you think?
 
Hi @Pete UK , thats the only thing we haven’t tried. They came back to us this morning stating its a tesla / podpoint issue, bit of a generic, not my problem gov type email.

Does removing and reinstating the car throw up any other issues, should i let octopus know I'm doing it do you think?
Shouldn’t do. No need to tell them.

I’ve done it about 3 or 4 times already. Sometimes it just disconnects itself.
 
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I’m on octopus intelligent and am paying 31p and 7.5p off peak. The peak rate is high especially when octopus have said the tariffs will come down further in a couple of months. Having aidbthat is impossible to renegotiate? If I were a new customer I don’t think they would charge 31p
 
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I’m on octopus intelligent and am paying 31p and 7.5p off peak. The peak rate is high especially when octopus have said the tariffs will come down further in a couple of months. Having aidbthat is impossible to renegotiate? If I were a new customer I don’t think they would charge 31p

You sort of use the 7.5p as mitigation. Its also very much possible to go further and shift some other house loads to the cheap rate but for those with enough battery storage, that 31p or whatever it could be is completely non existent.
 
Are Octopus down ATM?

Last night I got kicked out of app (every 6 months security thing) but unable to log back in or into web site.

Web Just hangs (constant animating pink banner flash) during login and eventually I get a page load error.

Similar last night and this morning.

I’m a bit short of a charge and wanted to check state of IO schedule - it had a couple of morning slots that I don’t know if they are still to run.

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I’m on octopus intelligent and am paying 31p and 7.5p off peak. The peak rate is high especially when octopus have said the tariffs will come down further in a couple of months. Having aidbthat is impossible to renegotiate? If I were a new customer I don’t think they would charge 31p
Todays tracker price is 16p. So if you want a cheaper rate, that tariff is available.

Wanting the 7.5p overnight and then a cheaper rate in the day as well - bit like having your cake and eating it.

Of course, 7.5p rate in the day is also possible... ;-)
 
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Are Octopus down ATM?

Last night I got kicked out of app (every 6 months security thing) but unable to log back in or into web site.

Web Just hangs (constant animating pink banner flash) during login and eventually I get a page load error.

Similar last night and this morning.

I’m a bit short of a charge and wanted to check state of IO schedule - it had a couple of morning slots that I don’t know if they are still to run.

View attachment 1010313
It was. When I spotted it late last night I told the car to charge.
 
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Over the last few days, octopus has only charged to 97/98%. My M3 is LFP so it's set to 100%.

I've removed the car from the app and gone through the onboarding process again yesterday. And charge was created last night, but again stopped at 97%.

I had a notification "we were unable to control your device" but no further details.

Any idea what to do next?
 
Over the last few days, octopus has only charged to 97/98%. My M3 is LFP so it's set to 100%.

I've removed the car from the app and gone through the onboarding process again yesterday. And charge was created last night, but again stopped at 97%.

I had a notification "we were unable to control your device" but no further details.

Any idea what to do next?


My car was at 69% yesterday and 70% today having not been plugged in. The MR's LFP car fully charged last night and is at 99%.

Are you sure yours is not a weather related?
 
You sort of use the 7.5p as mitigation. Its also very much possible to go further and shift some other house loads to the cheap rate but for those with enough battery storage, that 31p or whatever it could be is completely non existent.
On the most recent bill my average rate on IOG for Dec-Jan was 7.9p/kWh, 8.1p on the previous bill (both including VAT) even though the peak rate is indeed 31p.
 
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On the most reticent bill my average rate on IOG for Dec-Jan was 7.9p/kWh, 8.1p on the previous bill (both including VAT) even though the peak rate is indeed 31p.

Yes it's mostly never going to be 7.5p exactly since we know how the system works but I had to put a figure down that we can all associate with. Its not like Im being pedantic about peoples grammar ;) 🤷‍♂️