Finally - national data on the number of BEVs and Teslas!

[Vostok]

I expect BYD to outsell Tesla by the end of 2025, if not sooner

BYD currently make more BEVs+PHEVs than Tesla (1,857,379 vs 1,313,851 in 2022) hence the claim (rarely challenged by cut-and-paste journalists) that they are the world’s largest EV manufacturer.

The correct metric is that BYD are behind Tesla in BEVs - but they are closing the gap, and fast. In 2022, BYD sold 69% of Tesla’s BEV volumes (911,141 vs 1,313,851) while in 2021, BYD was only at 34% of Tesla’s BEV volumes (320,810 vs 936,172).

They will almost certainly overtake Tesla in 2025, possibly even in 2024.

 

[brend0s]

BYD

But are they cars....or pieces of sh!t?

 

[Blue heaven]

But are they cars....or pieces of sh!t?

Don’t be confused with the electric drivetrains coming out of Europe.

 

[meloccom]

My neighbour has an Atto 3, and whilst it’s no Tesla, it’s not a bad car. The fit and finish is good although the interior styling is not to my taste. What I would miss most versus the Tesla is the superior touch screen interface and the loss of auto trip planning. It’s also not very good at guessing remaining range and combined with a broken DC charger In Mittagong he has once run out of charge and had to have it towed home. On the other hand, we recently had a black out and he plugged in some lights, fridge and TV whilst we sat in the dark.

 

[cafz]

It’s also not very good at guessing remaining range and combined with a broken DC charger In Mittagong he has once run out of charge and had to have it towed home.

I am pretty sure this is one of the reasons Tesla doesn't have Android Auto / Apple CarPlay. They want to strongly nudge Tesla drivers towards using the built-in route planning with its good range prediction, to minimize the number of "had to be towed home" stories about Teslas.

 

[scully]

Quite a few Tesla owners are getting a BYD as their second car. They use the Tesla for road trips and the BYD for around town. I guess they don't want to pay the extra for both cars, if they don't need the features

 

[AussieOwner]

Quite a few Tesla owners are getting a BYD as their second car. They use the Tesla for road trips and the BYD for around town. I guess they don't want to pay the extra for both cars, if they don't need the features

I'd be keen to drive the BYD.

I drove a Polstar once in Adelaide through Hertz and wasn't that impressed honestly however I hear good things about BYD.

 

[brend0s]

I'd be keen to drive the BYD.

Same. Off a cliff

 

[hooty]

BYD currently make more BEVs+PHEVs than Tesla (1,857,379 vs 1,313,851 in 2022) hence the claim (rarely challenged by cut-and-paste journalists) that they are the world’s largest EV manufacturer.

The correct metric is that BYD are behind Tesla in BEVs - but they are closing the gap, and fast. In 2022, BYD sold 69% of Tesla’s BEV volumes (911,141 vs 1,313,851) while in 2021, BYD was only at 34% of Tesla’s BEV volumes (320,810 vs 936,172).

They will almost certainly overtake Tesla in 2025, possibly even in 2024.

I was referring to BYD overtaking Tesla sales in Australia by 2025.
Worldwide BYD could overtake Tesla in BEV sales this year , but definitely will by 2024

 

[hooty]

Considering that BYD sells heaps of ICE cars, that won't be a surprise.

BYD stopped selling ICEVs over a year ago

 

[hooty]

Worldwide or in Australia?

Australia
Worldwide 2023 possibly, 2024 definitely

 

[PC__LoadLetter]

BYD stopped selling ICEVs over a year ago

A quick google search shows that to be false. They still sell tonnes of ICE cars. Remember, if it has an engine in it, it isn't an EV.

 

[hooty]

A quick google search shows that to be false. They still sell tonnes of ICE cars. Remember, if it has an engine in it, it isn't an EV.

False.
The generally accepted objective definition of EVs is PHEVs & BEVs.
That is, a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle is considered an electric vehicle.
Typically, the term ICEV is not used to refer to PHEV, but rather a vehicle with a fossil fuel engine only

 

[PC__LoadLetter]

False.
The generally accepted objective definition of EVs is PHEVs & BEVs.
That is, a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle is considered an electric vehicle.
Typically, the term ICEV is not used to refer to PHEV, but rather a vehicle with a fossil fuel engine only

It has an internal combustion engine. It's an ICE vehicle. Your opinion is irrelevant.

 

[hooty]

It has an internal combustion engine. It's an ICE vehicle. Your opinion is irrelevant.

National automotive bodies the world over define a PHEV as an electric vehicle.
Relatively, you are a nobody.

 

[PC__LoadLetter]

National automotive bodies the world over define a PHEV as an electric vehicle.
Relatively, you are a nobody.

The automotive industry is made up of established players trying to greenwash the 1990s era junk they want to sell to you. They're dying, and we should let them die.

 

[hooty]

The automotive industry is made up of established players trying to greenwash the 1990s era junk they want to sell to you. They're dying, and we should let them die.

Would that be like Tesla greenwashing their ‘credentials’?

 

[Burnt Toast]

Australia
Worldwide 2023 possibly, 2024 definitely

Extreme doubtful. BYD isn't even officially imported by BYD in Australia, it's imported by a third party.

 

[scully]

Worldwide BYD could overtake Tesla in BEV sales this year , but definitely will by 2024

What year will they buy Toyota?

 

[RareEarth]

BYD isn't even officially imported by BYD in Australia, it's imported by a third party.

Thanks for that info. A quick search reveals that name again - Trevor St Baker. Via the St Baker Energy Innovation Fund he has an interest in Nexport, importer of BYD into RHD markets.