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Firmware 6.1
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What happens if you postpone an update, and then an updated release is made available.. does the car allow you to 'jump' to the latest update, or do you need to install the postponed one first? In other words, can you have multiple updates pending/downloaded to the car at once, or is it such that until you install the first update, you no longer get future update downloads/notifications?
EarlyAdopter
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It'll eventually stop nagging you about the current update, until the next one comes along. There's really no harm in postponing an update until you're certain it's convenient for you.
If you skip too many updates, talking about months here, you may need to go to a service center to get back up to date.
I may hold the record for length of time skipping updates, from January to August 2013, as I wanted to keep "sleep mode" which was temporarily revoked for the better part of 2013. And my plan would have continued to work if not for a first gen door handle failure. Turned out that a firmware update was needed for the redesigned door handles. Local service center needed a hand from HQ to get my nicely aged car updated, but it was no big deal.
I upgraded to .116 and then my wife took the car for the day. On the way home, she asked me about a software upgrade message. When she got home, I ran the update, but also noticed that the displayed Wh/mi for that day were remarkably low. Since I wasn't in the car with her, it was impossible to attribute it to anything, but I will be keeping my eye on it.
.116 was only there for a day, so the changes might have come with that, or with .139 for those who got it instead.
That's for an S 85.
S85's won't get any torque sleep at all... this discussion on efficiency gains is for P85D's only.
Which is exactly my point... wide releasing multiple minor revs in a short period of time likely means their QA team isn't catching major bugs, the end users are, and that doesn't instill confidence that quality is valued over release schedule.
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So you wouldn't get second thoughts about the quality of your car if you had new software updates almost every day (extreme example), with no apparent new features, just bug fixes?
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all the new stuff Tesla is doing, I just don't want to be a beta tester.
anxman
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I'm on .139 and I'm seeing no substantial difference between the previous version and .139. My average was 320kwH before and I'm at almost exactly 320 now too. After my ride home tonight, I should have another set of data.
Richg
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Results of .140 at constant 70 MPH P85D
I just picked up my P85D from the Tampa Service center where my car was updated with .140. On the way to pick up my car, I drove a loaner P85+ and averaged about 350 WH/Mi. On the way back to Sarasota I retraced my exact route and was surprised to find 284 WH/Mi at a constant 70 miles per hour. (Speed Control, Range Mode, Climate control off) Certainly something has changed because I am used to about 340 KW/Mi on this trip which I make frequently. This is about a 15% improvement. See below:
I just picked up my P85D from the Tampa Service center where my car was updated with .140. On the way to pick up my car, I drove a loaner P85+ and averaged about 350 WH/Mi. On the way back to Sarasota I retraced my exact route and was surprised to find 284 WH/Mi at a constant 70 miles per hour. (Speed Control, Range Mode, Climate control off) Certainly something has changed because I am used to about 340 KW/Mi on this trip which I make frequently. This is about a 15% improvement. See below:
why do people need Auto Pilot? Because they want to take a picture of their instrument panel while going 70mph...
Andyw2100
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Range mode disables the battery pack heating. If your goal is to preheat the battery pack using shore power, you need to turn off range mode when you exit the car, and then turn it back on when you start driving. This is one of the main reasons I don't like the fact that torque sleep is so tied to range mode.
MarcG
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Haha good one... and very true! I've been doing this (taking photos of my instrument panel to track trip data) since TACC was released and it's been just fine.
I disagree. Multiple minor revs in a short period doesn't mean any of that. It could merely mean that Tesla Engineers are completing portions of the work at a time, and releasing early and often to get customers to have some of the improvements as soon as possible. There is also a certain amount of QA and "fine tuning" type work that is best done in the field. For example: "We are not sure if algorithm A or B is better in the situation of an uphill climb in varying speed 40-65mph, let us test A in 139 and B in 140 and see which group does better in that circumstance."
As an engineer, I see nothing wrong with how Tesla is doing their updates except for:
a) there should be better release notes
b) customers should be able to request updates on their own
If you are feeling like you are part of a beta test and therefore dissatisfied -- you probably bought the wrong car. This car is on the bleeding edge of technology, and a more 'proven' technology probably makes more sense for you -- say a BMW M, M-B AMG, etc ...
I've had my Model S for over 2 years, and cannot remember a time (since release 4.2) where they rolled out so many minor versions in one shot.
If they continue to do this style of release rollouts for things like autopilot tweaks and drive algorithm changes, at least limit distribution to the cars who actually have said hardware that needs "field QA and fine tuning" as you put it.
If they continue to do this style of release rollouts for things like autopilot tweaks and drive algorithm changes, at least limit distribution to the cars who actually have said hardware that needs "field QA and fine tuning" as you put it.
Well, I just got a notification this morning that another update is available, assuming it must be .140 that other people are mentioning. Maybe the re-application of a new patch will magically fix my parking sensors and I can cancel my service appointment.
Time will tell.
MarcG
Active Member
Maybe the wind was at my back? LOL... I don't know, except that I've never hit that kind of efficiency while driving at that speed over relatively flat terrain.
I have it on good authority that upcoming update .147 will be to change the version number on the display.
Guys, Tesla is doing the right thing but rolling out smaller, frequent, incremental updates. Just think back to 5.x. The rollouts were halted for months at a time and I, for one, was not happy that my car continued to suffer from insomnia despite a fix being available. If they try to correct everything all at once then a) it takes longer and b) it increases the probably that one if affected something else entirely
Trust me, I'm a Sig. I've been in the software update game since 3.5. Incremental updates are always welcome over major overhauls where the chances that something gets screwed up are infinitely higher.
Trust me, I'm a Sig. I've been in the software update game since 3.5. Incremental updates are always welcome over major overhauls where the chances that something gets screwed up are infinitely higher.
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