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I think we're sort of in agreement. With 8.0 we'll get the "moderate" improvements to AP 1.0 as Elon tweeted and is quoted above, and lots of hype about how great 8.1 is going to be with AP 2.0 h/w.

But timing wise, they need to sell the AP 1.0 h/w cars before they freeze the market and everyone is waiting for AP 2.0, which I suspect has already started to happen. I think that's why the blog post went quiet...

But hey, I'm just speculating! :confused:

Just speculation? At least yours is logical! The speculation I’m seeing, some in this forum and many in the wider online community, is that the P100D is so new that of course it has the equally new AP 2.0 hardware pre-installed. I can’t believe how many people really think this is going to be the case without any evidence coming from Tesla. Many keep referring back to Sep 6 and earlier blogs from Electrek. I just to have to wonder where that information is coming from.

On the point “they may have to flush out the AP 1.0 h/w inventory first,” my impression is that Tesla manufacturing runs fairly lean. I ordered a Model S P100D-loaded on Aug 23 and it’s already slated for delivery a couple of weeks from now. Compare that to 3+ months for a new Porsche Panamera. I’ve read about an estimated Tesla run rate of a couple hundred P100D’s a week, so it seems that Tesla wouldn’t have that much AP 1.0 h/w inventory to clear out.

The blog on AP 8.0 s/w may also be quiet because of the rumored restrictions that are going to be placed on abusive AP users. Tesla has to be aware that its responsible AP users are going to be irritated by all the new hands-on-steering-wheel and other controls that they are going to start enforcing to lessen Tesla’s liability. Maybe they’re trying to think about how to carefully spin that not-so-good news.

In any case, I’m going to wait one more week, and if we don’t hear anything, I’ll cancel my order and forfeit the $2,500. I am not going to be that guy who gets the last AP 1.0 car.
 
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Just speculation? At least yours is logical! The speculation I’m seeing, some in this forum and many in the wider online community, is that the P100D is so new that of course it has the equally new AP 2.0 hardware pre-installed. I can’t believe how many people really think this is going to be the case without any evidence coming from Tesla. Many keep referring back to Sep 6 and earlier blogs from Electrek. I just to have to wonder where that information is coming from.

On the point “they may have to flush out the AP 1.0 h/w inventory first,” my impression is that Tesla manufacturing runs fairly lean. I ordered a Model S P100D-loaded on Aug 23 and it’s already slated for delivery a couple of weeks from now. Compare that to 3+ months for a new Porsche Panamera. I’ve read about an estimated Tesla run rate of a couple hundred P100D’s a week, so it seems that Tesla wouldn’t have that much AP 1.0 h/w inventory to clear out.

The blog on AP 8.0 s/w may also be quiet because of the rumored restrictions that are going to be placed on abusive AP users. Tesla has to be aware that its responsible AP users are going to be irritated by all the new hands-on-steering-wheel and other controls that they are going to start enforcing to lessen Tesla’s liability. Maybe they’re trying to think about how to carefully spin that not-so-good news.

In any case, I’m going to wait one more week, and if we don’t hear anything, I’ll cancel my order and forfeit the $2,500. I am not going to be that guy who gets the last AP 1.0 car.

Tesla swears they will build the car no matter what you do. I will take them the day before if I decide to cance and take them for their word.

If it literally doesn't effect tesla at all you might as well to the week before delivery to have as much information as possible.

I'll probably cancel if it's confirmed I will not get the hardware vs not confirmed I do not get it (because you would always have it and not know - maybe)
 
Postpone the delivery and save yourself $2,500..
I already asked if I could postpone, just 1 day after the 1-week grace period, which unfortunately is when I found out that AP 1.0 going to AP 2.0 could be an issue. I had called Tesla Inside Sales and they kindly suggested to me that I could postpone, which I was glad to do. However, when I contacted my local Delivery Experience Specialist to do so, she said "No, because the car is already in production," which at that point of time (just 8 days after ordering) was probably in the production queue, not in actual production.
 
I already asked if I could postpone, just 1 day after the 1-week grace period, which unfortunately is when I found out that AP 1.0 going to AP 2.0 could be an issue. I had called Tesla Inside Sales and they kindly suggested to me that I could postpone, which I was glad to do. However, when I contacted my local Delivery Experience Specialist to do so, she said "No, because the car is already in production," which at that point of time (just 8 days after ordering) was probably in the production queue, not in actual production.
oh that sucks :(. You can try escalating and see what gives? What is the order that you have, in production queue in 8 days is unheard of.
 
Aha! In blijde verwachting.

Als dat tien dagen geduurd heeft is 't volgens mij wegens traagheid van advocaten, genre :
- Elon: maar jawel AP op 8.0 herkent écht wél stoplichten;
- advocaten (na 2 dagen bedenktijd): U bent wel goed zot als u dat gaat adverteren;
- Elon: ok ja maar als dat in 99% van de gevallen lukt dan mag ik toch tweeten dat het in 99% van de gevallen lukt, nee?
- advocaten (na nog eens 7 dagen bedenktijd): U bent nog steeds goed zot als u die 99% gaat adverteren.

Gelukkig voor ons blijft Elon Musk wat lekker zot :). Die (denkbeeldige) advocaten zouden wel ergens gelijk hebben natuurlijk, vermits de wereld ook bevolkt wordt door mensen wier zotheid heel wat minder lekker is. :confused:
 
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Het sluit hier wel een beetje op aan, hoewel op het eerste gezicht off topic. Gisteravond was ik bij een bijeenkomst van schaderegelaars en de tweede spreker zou over ongevallenanalyse gaan praten. Omdat ik eerst in Assen was, de bijeenkomst daarna in Hoogeveen bij Unigarant, was ik eigenlijk van plan (was al een lange dag met bijna 500 km) om hem in de pauze te "peren" (ook in B een te volgen werkwoord?) maar ik sprak de spreker toevallig op de plek waar alleen mannen mogen komen. Ik vroeg hem of hij het ook over de Tesla crash zou gaan hebben waarop hij zei dat hij daar niet onderuit komt.
Dus besloot ik te blijven.

In het verhaal natuurlijk veel Mercedes e.d. omdat dat in de praktijk wel de relevante merken zijn maar ik heb toch wat doorgevraagd en ook verteld dat Tesla wel voorop loopt als het gaat om datalogging e.d. Dat was hij best wel met mij eens maar in de praktijk komt hij nooit een Tesla tegen. Begrijpelijk wel.

Het ongeval zelf was voor hem, gezien de evidentie van de snelheid en de standvastigheid van de boom niet echt interessant.

Wat het ongeval verder betreft was hij lichtelijk ontstemd dat Tesla de snelheid en het niet ingeschakeld zijn van de AP al na één dag naar buiten bracht terwijl, en dan komt het: "Het politieonderzoek nog niet was afgerond". Hier dus de aansluiting met jouw opmerking Carl. Terwijl men niet één argument kon bedenken waarom Tesla het niet openbaar had kunnen maken (terwijl het niet eens alleen een NL kwestie is maar wereldwijd een viral pandemonium was geworden) greep men toch terug op het protocol dat alleen de politie of het Openbaar Ministerie daar iets over mag zeggen.
Dus ook hier een kwestie van wennen aan de directe en transparante approach van Elon/Tesla die heilige huisjes doet schudden.

Uiteindelijk dus pas dik na twaalven thuis maar onderweg genoten van zowel AP als Herman Finkers op Spotify en ook nog een leuk gesprek gehad aan de SuC van Zwolle. Life is good :)
 
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Ik kan nog niet helemaal achterhalen of het politieonderzoek nog niet was afgerond ten tijde van de kennisgeving door Tesla. Tesla heeft de informatie zondermeer met de politie gedeeld en de politie heeft bevestigd dat de bevindingen van Tesla overeen komen met haar eigen onderzoek. Mogelijk dat de politie bij Tesla al wel had aangegeven het onderzoek te hebben gesloten, waarop Tesla haar bericht naar buiten brachr voordat de politie in de media het sluiten van het onderzoek kenbaar had gemaakt.
 
On the point “they may have to flush out the AP 1.0 h/w inventory first,” my impression is that Tesla manufacturing runs fairly lean. I ordered a Model S P100D-loaded on Aug 23 and it’s already slated for delivery a couple of weeks from now. Compare that to 3+ months for a new Porsche Panamera. I’ve read about an estimated Tesla run rate of a couple hundred P100D’s a week, so it seems that Tesla wouldn’t have that much AP 1.0 h/w inventory to clear out.
Follow this link on the Tesla web site, that's inventory...

Then consider that your Porsche experience is mirrored by Tesla customers in Europe and Asia. I can speak from experience that taking delivery of your new Tesla, only to learn that it is suddenly "old", is not a good customer experience.
 
Actually 8.0 is very much about Autopilot 2.0 hardware because Tesla can't do what it wants with Autopilot 1.0 hardware. The advanced radar processing is not very helpful if you are only processing data from a single, forward-facing radar. AP 2.0 is supposed to have multiple radar units, so enhanced radar processing in 8.0 must be contemplating the additional radar units that are coming "soon".

To avoid confusion I think people need to start thinking in terms of three discrete levels of AP.

AP 1.0 - As it is now
AP 1.5 - With the new Tri-Camera that Model X owners already have the wiring assembly for, and possibly some very recent Model S's.
AP 2.0 - With the multiple radar unit and side camera's.

If you're getting a Tesla now I wouldn't worry about AP 2.0. That's still a long ways away (>6 months), and I wouldn't worry about AP 1.5 either because it's likely at worst case that you'll get the wiring assembly for it.
 
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AP 1.5 - With the new Tri-Camera that Model X owners already have the wiring assembly for, and possibly some very recent Model S's.
There is no evidence I am aware of to support that view that any Tesla will be manufactured with the AP 1.0 hardware AND the three forward facing cameras installed.

There is reason to believe that AP 2.0 will have the three forward cameras and multiple radar units (not just the current single forward facing radar).

So I see no reason to promote the idea that there will be an "AP 1.5". That is just going to confuse people.
 
To avoid confusion I think people need to start thinking in terms of three discrete levels of AP.

AP 1.0 - As it is now
AP 1.5 - With the new Tri-Camera that Model X owners already have the wiring assembly for, and possibly some very recent Model S's.
AP 2.0 - With the multiple radar unit and side camera's.

If you're getting a Tesla now I wouldn't worry about AP 2.0. That's still a long ways away (>6 months), and I wouldn't worry about AP 1.5 either because it's likely at worst case that you'll get the wiring assembly for it.


Absolutely. The AP1.5 variant seems to be missed by many. Then again, since half the owners don't have AP in the first place, I'm not surprised.

Even if AP1.5 ends up being a better camera module, clearly AP2.0 is when multiple cameras and sensors and *gasp* 360-degree viewing may be bestowed upon the faithful. Given the MobilEye divorce, AP1.0 and AP2.0 with software inbetween is entirely plausible.

I figure it's software this year and hardware mid-next year, and I'm fine with that.

If by some miracle we get traffic light and stop sign reaction (as opposed to recognition) this year (as alluded to by Elon earlier this head with a "within the year" fuse, then so much the better.