Hope you dont mind me chuckling good-naturedly at this .. but the image of the car giving "birth" to a bicycle is going to stay with me all day ("berth" perhaps?).giving wide birth to bicycles
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Hope you dont mind me chuckling good-naturedly at this .. but the image of the car giving "birth" to a bicycle is going to stay with me all day ("berth" perhaps?).giving wide birth to bicycles
At some point when FSD goes wide release (non beta) Tesla will need this resolved. What happens when a non beta tester just accepts a UPL and an accident results?I assume it just means
I assume it just means they’ll iterate and make it better over time. Success rates will start low and improve gradually.
Nothing is perfect. When it's released out of beta it'll be as good as possible, but not perfect. It's an L2 assist feature so it will be made clear that the driver is in control.At some point when FSD goes wide release (non beta) Tesla will need this resolved. What happens when a non beta tester just accepts a UPL and an accident results?
Totally agree. Hopefully as FSD matures these situations will diminish over time.Nothing is perfect. When it's released out of beta it'll be as good as possible, but not perfect. It's an L2 assist feature so it will be made clear that the driver is in control.
If the driver feels the UPL you described is not safe and the car proceeds, the driver needs to take over. Any accident would be the drivers responsibility, unless the other driver was at fault. There have been many times Tesla has avoided an accident, or prevented one from being worse when it was the other driver's fault (see Chucks video for an example).
I can't imagine accidents not happening at some time soon with the increased numbers of beta testers. Not that the new people are less careful, but that the number of times the dice are getting rolled is increasing. Then there will be consequences...Totally agree. Hopefully as FSD matures these situations will diminish over time.
My concern is that so many drivers will want to show off FSD to friends and not pay attention. Look at the Plaid owners who now want to show off the acceleration and speed the car is capable of. Is the Plaid safe driving 140 mph on the interstate by a person with no training as a race track NASCAR driver? Fact is if a NASCAR licensed drive did that he would be banned from professional NASCAR driving.I can't imagine accidents not happening at some time soon with the increased numbers of beta testers. Not that the new people are less careful, but that the number of times the dice are getting rolled is increasing. Then there will be consequences...
A Nascar driver needs a license to make left hand turns in a circle? Tough test.My concern is that so many drivers will want to show off FSD to friends and not pay attention. Look at the Plaid owners who now want to show off the acceleration and speed the car is capable of. Is the Plaid safe driving 140 mph on the interstate by a person with no training as a race track NASCAR driver? Fact is if a NASCAR licensed drive did that he would be banned from professional NASCAR driving.
Yeah, maybe a better example would be Stage Rally: Home / | ara-rallyA Nascar driver needs a license to make left hand turns in a circle? Tough test.
There is no "Wow!" icon as in FB, so I have to reply "Wow!" I didn't know there were Stage RalliesYeah, maybe a better example would be Stage Rally: Home / | ara-rally
Looking forward then to 10.13 since when there are no cars in the roundabout FSD still stops before entering the large roundabout I take every day. And the ride around the rotary after entering is much worse than it used to be. Jerky throughout.
Hope this works better than ULT changes in 10.12.2.
Currently roundabout issues I have are
- still very hesitant and jerky at small roundabouts
- still can’t accurately figure out whether a vehicle coming from left needs to be yielded to
So? Even if “just” 50.1% of the time, that would be a remarkable achievement. No other autonomous driving company can even attempt such a challenging maneuver.
People in these FSD beta threads have far too little appreciation for how challenging this problem is.
Multi-lane ?Looking forward then to 10.13 since when there are no cars in the roundabout FSD still stops before entering the large roundabout I take every day. And the ride around the rotary after entering is much worse than it used to be. Jerky throughout.
In general though 10.12.2 is better then the previous build for me.
Yes multi lane although people don't drive it that wayMulti-lane ?
Single lane large roundabouts are fine for me. FSD slows down to about 14 mph, which is fine. It even handles traffic in the roundabout - but have to be careful since - sometimes it doesn't seem to realize it needs to stop. In one instance FSD cleared showed it was tracking a vehicle coming from left (in blue) but wanted to enter the roundabout even when the tracked vehicle was just yards away.
Yes - I don't think multi-lane roundabouts are handled.Yes multi lane although people don't drive it that way
I've probably triggered tens or maybe hundreds of GB of FSD report data dealing with just multi-lane roundabout ugliness.Yes - I don't think multi-lane roundabouts are handled.
It sounds like you aren't that familiar with NASCAR culture. Richard Petty bumped a car in front of him on the interstate (a couple of times) because he wouldn't get out of the fast lane back in '96, and I don't think they banned him. He may have been retired by then, though.Fact is if a NASCAR licensed drive did that he would be banned from professional NASCAR driving.
"Culture" is a good word for it. My information came from a group of six students who were in my private scuba diving class. They were all NASCAR drivers and the discussion of what happens if a NASCAR driver loses his license for violating state law. They told me it depends on how much money is involved. The big winners can get away with anything including DUI. The "culture" is such that if a driver brings in the big bucks they will give the driver a pass for public roads violations. My students all agreed that they weren't in that league so if one of them got a speeding ticket, they would come under review. NASCAR fine and suspension. They purposefully do not require a driver's license to race so they can make up rules for each case. Other than that I don't follow NASCAR.It sounds like you aren't that familiar with NASCAR culture.