Terminator857
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Yes, there are plenty of people not allowed to post videos.The fact SOME of the public folks in the program are making youtube videos doesn't mean that's the criteria for selection.
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Yes, there are plenty of people not allowed to post videos.The fact SOME of the public folks in the program are making youtube videos doesn't mean that's the criteria for selection.
Agreed, and the cronyism charge implies a conflict of interest that would inhibit honest criticism. The first and most obvious counter to this is that there have been plenty of complaints from many of the drivers, at least the ones I tend to follow. Maybe less so from some others, but I'm less familiar with those.
The second point is that it's not just a narrative that's subject to spin with no objective proof; we can all watch each situation develop and reach our own conclusions. People can and do, all the time, disagree with the comments expressed by the testers. This is seen in the YouTube comments (that I don't use very much), the TMC analysis and I'm sure also on Twitter and Reddit (an assumption as I have little to no presence on those). I along with others have often expressed my differences with the decision and path planning choices of FSD, or sometimes with the testers when they actually wished the car would do something I think it definitely should not do.
So far I haven't really picked up on any unhealthy or truth-burying tendency of the FSD testers, to try to burnish their relationship with Tesla by soft-pedaling FSD deficiencies. But I can see how the interpretation of behavior will vary widely on the pessimism-to-optimism spectrum based on one's expectations and biases. If you're already disgusted, nothing much will please you - and then you'll be suspicious of any positive spin, open to nefarious explanations of the reviewers' motives.
I think there are a few reviewers who make a good amount from YouTube. But there's no compensation from Tesla as far as I know; their source of income is from popularity and the way the YouTube algorithm works. They have to please their audience, and I don't think that audience is generally looking for fawning praise of Tesla.
Following anything Tesla related is often maddening because of the lack of objectivity.
Whether its a beta tester or a poster in here.
There seems to be only a few people who are truly objective who can point out good things while also pointing out bad things.
There have been studies that show your ability to pay attention is lowered while having a conversation. But also when you do a live stream you are also trying to look at the comments back because the point of a live stream is to allow two way conversation.Should there be laws not allowing conversations in the car or hands free voice calling? How dangerous is live streaming compared to those?
Yeah people assume that YouTube = money for some reason. A video with 500k views might get you $10 dollars.They really aren’t making much. Most don’t have any kind of sponsorship or Patreon, and YouTube pays pennies for each view if there are ads on the vid, and they don’t really get a ton of views. Even the ones with a Patreon page aren’t making much. I’d say they’re likely actually losing money considering some of the cameras and drone tech that some of them are using in their vids.
The objective people Iwatch are DirtyTesla, AI Addict and Frenchie... I'm sure there are more like Chuck, etc. But yeah there are not alot.
Let me add, I do sometimes like AI Addict even though he often makes lots of excuses. Overall he is good. I refuse to watch Dirty though anymore. He is not as bad as Hyperchange but he is a cheerleader.I don't find dirty or AI addict objective. I like Frenchie, cook and this new guy I just found Rocco speranza
Interesting, in that posted signs specifically warn against crossing a DOUBLE WHITE LINE from mainline to HOV or vice versa. The DMV information is a bit muddy, but does suggest waiting to cross at a broken single white line.Those pillars are protected by a solid white line on both sides.
In California, my Autopilot/FSD used to be able to cross a solid white for a lane change until 3/23/2018. Shortly after that, I could not get it to cross a solid white line anymore, even now.
It's unclear the CA DMV would allow crossing a solid white line:
"...wait until a single broken white line appears..."
Yes, because billions had already been spent trying to solve the problem before Elon claimed it was "solved". It was already the most difficult engineering problem ever attempted in my opinion.Were you so smart that you saw this in the windshield?
Now THAT'S the way it's done. Put up a valid concern and WHY it's valid. This is the kind of discourse we need here.My only complaint is that I don't think Tesla's approach of having customers test beta FSD software is going to be safe.
Those pillars are protected by a solid white line on both sides.
I thought there was some verification once they were in the FSD beta program as in March they removed some.And I agree. Tesla needs to at least put some sort of vetting effort into their beta testers in order to keep it as safe as possible. There is more than one YouTube FSD beta tester that seriously shouldn't be using ANY sort of driver assist device, let alone a beta version.
“FSD Beta has now been expanded to ~2000 owners & we’ve also revoked beta where drivers did not pay sufficient attention to the road. No accidents to date.”
5:48 PM · Apr 10, 2021
Got a sample of the Tesla Insurance telemetry data. The insurance records are on a per drive basis. Here's the fields:
* Unique Drive ID
* Record Version
* Car Firmware Version
* Driver Profile Name
* Start / End Time
* Drive Duration
* Start / End Odometer
* # of Autopilot Strikeouts
* # of Forward Collision Warnings
* # of Lane Departure Warnings
* # of ABS activations (All & User)
* Time spent within 1s of car in front
* Time spent within 3s of car in front
* Acceleration Variance
* Service Mode
* Delivered
ie.
* tail gating - time to car in front, collision warnings, ABS activations
* inattention - autopilot strikeouts, warnings
* heavy throttle usage - acceleration variance
Thanks for taking the time to share the research....In WA where the video was shot, changing lanes across the solid white is apparently legal...
+1. I lowered my Y 1" with coil overs and couldn't understand why my regular AP/FSD (not part of the beta) sucked so bad. I thought it was just a crappy release. It wouldn't brake or slow down for cars in front of me until the last second. Then it dawned on me that in lowering the car, I'd changed the perspective of the cameras. I did a calibration and it completely fixed the issue and AP/FSD has been great since. I can't wait for the beta and would be thrilled to try it as is.As far as Kim's difficulties lets wait and see the results of her camera calibration and rebooting. That made a world of difference to Brandon's drives.
I disagree. Paying someone minimum wage even with training and they are less likely to pay attention. When you are doing something "fun" on your own time, you are way more likely to not tune out and pay attention. I think it was smart of Tesla to do it this way.My only complaint is that I don't think Tesla's approach of having customers test beta FSD software is going to be safe.
How much do you think you tube pays per view?…while making nontrivial amounts of money for the people posting the videos. It's cronyism.