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Probably rigged anyway.Or spoil your ballot paper?
Whatever price point you buy a Tesla or any other EV for, you’re essentially buying a car that costs £15k less than the sticker price and then the extra is because of the battery pack.Yep, that sums up what I think. Tesla charge premium prices but the interior of the M3 is anything but premium. And I’m not criticising the simplicity, which I like, but it just looks and feels cheap.
As usual it’s our friends from across the pond. So much for their fondness of freedom of speechJust lol at voting “disagree” on an OP with a free choice to express your opinion via “Yes” or “No”
Ehhh if people can stand behind their complaints and make coherent arguments as to why it's a big deal (for them), I'm fine with that. One man's wine is another man's poison, after all. I don't get the logic of pre-emptively "disagreeing" with an open vote on something just because you don't like the fact the question is even being asked. Seems pretty lame to me.Understandable to me, this kind of thread usually just turns in to a pity party just like the removal of USS thread where a bunch of furious people just sit there in a misery circle complaining about unimportant stuff they can’t change.
I still think the Model 3 is a fine car, but I'm no longer convinced that Tesla will remain the leading manufacturer of EVs by the time my current car is up for renewal. In the past they were truly innovative, but they seem to have given up on anything that doesn't suit the vision of becoming a RoboTaxi company.
What exactly was the point of the 4680 cells, they seem to have achieved nothing for owners. Same goes for these mega castings, what good does that do me. FSD is obsessed with driving on 'City Streets' which isn't where I want self driving (long boring motorway drives please).
At the same time they keep ignoring V2x which is something that I would benefit from, and fundamentally seems to be a very sensible answer to the variability of renewable power sources.
Hyundai/Kia, Ford (f150 tech, not the truck) and Rivian seem to be the people moving forward. It's sad to see Tesla squander their position, Elon needs to step back and allow someone new to lead.
I don't care about Tesla making even more profit per car, achieves nothing at all for me. Other manufacturers are delivering capabilities that customers want.The main point of the 4680 is speed and scale of production which over time will lead to lower prices for consumers. Version 1.0 of the cell is doing well even if not meeting some of the unrealistic expectations some people had. Raw materials in, cars out. Which will eliminate waste on things like profit for Panasonic or CATL.
Same for the castings, all about scale and speed of production, which over time will come down to the consumer, right now the gas used to melt the Aluminum for those castings is bloody expensive, hence the LNG re-gasification plant under construction at the Berlin factory.
I didn’t say anything about Telsa making more profit.I don't care about Tesla making even more profit per car, achieves nothing at all for me. Other manufacturers are delivering capabilities that customers want
In the case of Tesla a huge amount of your money is pure profit. They are acknowledged to have the biggest margins of just about any manufacturer in this price range and anyone who buys one now is paying through the nose. No way would I buy an M3 or MY at current prices.Whatever price point you buy a Tesla or any other EV for, you’re essentially buying a car that costs £15k less than the sticker price and then the extra is because of the battery pack.
Comparing costs to an ICE car in the same price bracket is therefore pointless. A Tesla isn’t a premium car, it’s a mid-tier car with an expensive battery, which is why when you comparing between EVs, anything that does actually have a more premium interior is generally more expensive and those that are in a comparable price bracket like the VW cars are generally actually a lot worse in terms of quality.
The MG is ugly and slow though.In the case of Tesla a huge amount of your money is pure profit. They are acknowledged to have the biggest margins of just about any manufacturer in this price range and anyone who buys one now is paying through the nose. No way would I buy an M3 or MY at current prices.
A friend of mine has an MG4 which cost a lot less than half the price of my M3P. I wouldn’t say the interior of the MG is inferior to my M3, and at motorway speeds the MG is significantly quieter. It has its faults and, ultimately, the M3 is a better car, but is it worth more than twice as much? No way. Teslas are not good value for money. And that’s before you start shelling out for permanent beta FSD vapourware.
That's a big "if" there, and I've seen no evidence of it lately.If they’re going to bring prices down for consumers
I wouldn’t describe the MG as ugly. My M3 is by far the ugliest car I’ve ever owned, and the MY sinks to new depths of ugliness. But I don’t buy cars for their looks. O-62 in 7.5 secs is not exactly rapid by EV standards, but it was hot hatch territory just a few years ago. MG produce excellent cars that are fantastic value for money.The MG is ugly and slow though.
Margin is a good thing, when they didn’t have good margins a couple years ago people were crowing about them going out of business and not being a real car company, if they do have strong margins people like you complain about value for money. You can please some of the people some of the time etc.
They’re going to have to, if only to undercut other manufacturers.That's a big "if" there, and I've seen no evidence of it lately.
There is no big if at all.That's a big "if" there, and I've seen no evidence of it lately.