This entire thread is based on crunching numbers on a computer, and never takes into account actually driving the car.
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Here's why the 3 isn't a mainstream "affordable" car
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ModelNforNerd
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That's what happens when there are only MAYBE 100 in existence at the moment. None of us could truthfully write about the driving experience of a Model 3. But......if it's anything like my Model S test drive, I know I've made the right call.
seattlite2004
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The Camry is built in Georgetown, Kentucky and Lafayette, Indiana.....but that might not be AMERICA to some folks.
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Xenoilphobe
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Good job Mod - can you move the country into quarantine too?
Back on topic - if the Camry is the benchmark - then the Toyota has a lot of catching up to do. The new Avalon my mother in law bought is a dog of a car - floaty, old school Cadillac like, knobs everywhere, rough shifting, noisy and frankly a car with reused Toyota parts from 1990 with very little change - kinda like a lawn tractor - with very reliable parts and a dealership network with their hand out for oil changes and anything they can squeeze out of you.
She's 80 and did an impulse buy and they screwed her bad - sold her last years model at full price with tons of mark up... same thing the Cadillac dealer did to her for over 40 years... (she would get a new one every two years) and they were constantly pulling cash out of her and her husband for stupid stuff -- "we changed the air in the tires" and aligned the FM antenna.. etc. etc... I finally got her to look at other stuff and she picked Toyota - which is good for ICE, but not so good compared to Electric... (if she drives 4000 miles a year, I would be stunned) and with Auto pilot it might be more useful than the Avalon in a couple of years.
Back on topic - if the Camry is the benchmark - then the Toyota has a lot of catching up to do. The new Avalon my mother in law bought is a dog of a car - floaty, old school Cadillac like, knobs everywhere, rough shifting, noisy and frankly a car with reused Toyota parts from 1990 with very little change - kinda like a lawn tractor - with very reliable parts and a dealership network with their hand out for oil changes and anything they can squeeze out of you.
She's 80 and did an impulse buy and they screwed her bad - sold her last years model at full price with tons of mark up... same thing the Cadillac dealer did to her for over 40 years... (she would get a new one every two years) and they were constantly pulling cash out of her and her husband for stupid stuff -- "we changed the air in the tires" and aligned the FM antenna.. etc. etc... I finally got her to look at other stuff and she picked Toyota - which is good for ICE, but not so good compared to Electric... (if she drives 4000 miles a year, I would be stunned) and with Auto pilot it might be more useful than the Avalon in a couple of years.
ModelNforNerd
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The Camry is built in Georgetown, Kentucky and Lafayette, Indiana.....but that might not be AMERICA to some folks.
where's your money going? Back to Japan? Ok, cool.
SageBrush
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Actually only a small fraction goes back to Japan. With the investment for the plant and costs for direct and indirect labor, variable cost of parts for the vehicle from local US suppliers, plant support materials, etc., only about 10-15% of the revenue winds up retained in Japan....a very positive deal overall for the U.S. economy, not to mention the ripple effect of all the U.S. jobs generated.
SageBrush
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seattlite2004
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The profits ultimately go to shareholders. Anyone who owns mutual funds with international exposure will share in some of that profit.
SageBrush
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No.
The factory is in the US. Battery net profits go to Panasonic. And remember the cost to build the factory ? That money entered or stayed in the US economy.
SageBrush
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That is a good point I had not considered. So the end benefit to say Japan is the company net profit * corporate_taxation_rate - loopholes.
Yes, I tried to multi-quote you and the quote you cited for fuller context, but I haven't figured out the multi-quote function yet....this forum is quite different from others!
seattlite2004
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SageBrush
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I'm not sure, I was thinking of the Gigafactory and Panasonic participation.
JeffK
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The cells are made in Japan, the batteries are assembled in the US, I believe.
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