AnxietyRanger
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Frankly, I don't put a lot of weight on comments that say they have never seen ghosting. I just don't think those are accurate, even though they are honest comments I'm sure. My personal belief is those cars very likely have ghosting as well. For me it would probably take someone who knows ghosting intimately finding a car that doesn't have it, to alter this opinion, or a clearly new revision of the product.
The thing about the ghosting is, it isn't something you see by looking out the windshield normally, so a lot of people miss it and are fine with it. It isn't like there is some filter on the entire windshield causing ghosting of everything, which would be terrible, but luckily this issue is not as bad. (This is also why for me this conversation is more academic than a major issue, I am not personally bothered by the ghosting - just strive for accuracy in discussing it.)
It affects bright light sources only, such that have enough intensity to fracture into separate beams on or in the windshield. These light sources usually have some glare and ambiguity on any windshield, anyway, due to their brightness, so many won't care at all. It isn't like we normally look at the headlights of approaching cars all the time, right?
But the issue IMO is very real, obviously, and due to the design of the windshield, clearly - not a bad batch or anything like that.
I again return to the computer, tv or tablet screen issue analogy on internet forums. Ambient conditions are a big, big part of all these. Ambient light for example has a big tendency in evening out any unevenness - and pitch black darkness in bringing out the problems. A person looking at a screen usually in great ambient lighting will not see what a viewer in the dark will (add to that differences in visual acuity etc.). This also affects the ghosting discussion. Basically not all see and drive in similar circumstances.
One example of it below (thanks @Jeff McClure Double vision (ghosting) at night through windshield?) , however as it is basically light reflecting from the layers of the windshield, the severity is affected by various things such as:
- ambient conditions (daylight or rain can offset it)
- angle of the view (e.g. seating height can make it less or worse)
- closeness of the object (ghosting may be more pronounced on far-away objects)
- tint of the windshield or (sun)glasses (can lessen or remove it)
- harshness of the light source is definitely a factor (easier to see on headlights pointed at you than traffic lights or taillights)
The thing about the ghosting is, it isn't something you see by looking out the windshield normally, so a lot of people miss it and are fine with it. It isn't like there is some filter on the entire windshield causing ghosting of everything, which would be terrible, but luckily this issue is not as bad. (This is also why for me this conversation is more academic than a major issue, I am not personally bothered by the ghosting - just strive for accuracy in discussing it.)
It affects bright light sources only, such that have enough intensity to fracture into separate beams on or in the windshield. These light sources usually have some glare and ambiguity on any windshield, anyway, due to their brightness, so many won't care at all. It isn't like we normally look at the headlights of approaching cars all the time, right?
But the issue IMO is very real, obviously, and due to the design of the windshield, clearly - not a bad batch or anything like that.
I again return to the computer, tv or tablet screen issue analogy on internet forums. Ambient conditions are a big, big part of all these. Ambient light for example has a big tendency in evening out any unevenness - and pitch black darkness in bringing out the problems. A person looking at a screen usually in great ambient lighting will not see what a viewer in the dark will (add to that differences in visual acuity etc.). This also affects the ghosting discussion. Basically not all see and drive in similar circumstances.
One example of it below (thanks @Jeff McClure Double vision (ghosting) at night through windshield?) , however as it is basically light reflecting from the layers of the windshield, the severity is affected by various things such as:
- ambient conditions (daylight or rain can offset it)
- angle of the view (e.g. seating height can make it less or worse)
- closeness of the object (ghosting may be more pronounced on far-away objects)
- tint of the windshield or (sun)glasses (can lessen or remove it)
- harshness of the light source is definitely a factor (easier to see on headlights pointed at you than traffic lights or taillights)
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