ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
80% limit reset should be removed when the next stop requires 70% or more charge to arrive at.
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That doesn’t help. I was not doing a linear trip. I needed 100% for my day activities.80% limit reset should be removed when the next stop requires 70% or more charge to arrive at.
Been there, done that. You can reset the limit back to 100% after it gives you the warning and it’ll stick.That doesn’t help. I was not doing a linear trip. I needed 100% for my day activities.
I didn’t receive a warning that the limit was reset. I checked when I got a notice when charging had finished much earlier than anticipated.Been there, done that. You can reset the limit back to 100% after it gives you the warning and it’ll stick.
1.There are several things about my recent experience that don’t wash.
1. Tesla resetting my charge limit. There was no onscreen notification of this. Perhaps because of my failing MCU that they won’t schedule for replacement yet. But that’s another story.
2. Requiring my credit card number being on file. I have no problem with supplying a Paypal account but do not want my CC sitting on another server waiting to be hacked.
3. The lack of documentation provided for the incurred idle fee.
4. The signage of the charging stalls.
For the record, I have no problem paying an idle fee if it is justified.
People just pulling sh** out of their asses. Tesla didn't "go in to a contract" with that person to provide free supercharging, like you said, we want to see this contract.No, I perfectly understand the point you are making, I just think you're wrong. But maybe I'm mistaken instead. In furtherance of that possibility, please upload a pic or screenshot of your contract with Tesla where the term "free unlimited supercharging" is defined and where it spells out exactly what is and/or isn't covered. The problem is that, so far as I'm aware, these are not defined terms. Tesla is going to say that Supercharging is something like "the provision of DC electricity from a Tesla Supercharging station for the purpose of charging the battery on a Tesla EV." And since idle fees aren't incurred during the delivery of electricity they aren't covered under "free supercharging." They are going to say "unlimited" is only about the volume of electricity that you can get for free, not anything else. To my mind, both of those definitions are perfectly reasonable and hence charging idle fees and enforcing payment via access restriction is kosher, even on cars that have FUSC. But of course you or any of the others who disagree are perfectly free to try to get a judge/mediator to see things your way. I think there's already a lawsuit about this, so you may not have to do anything yourself.
Separately, I believe you were notified of the charging limit change. When you plug in, I believe there's a pop up on the car's screen about adjusting the charging limit to 80% at busy stations. This may technically be adequate, but it's certainly a dumb implementation by Tesla for this not to be a push notification that goes to your phone too, which I don't think it does. Too easy for people to miss it if they plug in and walk away without looking at the screen, which only causes needless aggravation.
Except it doesn't. If charging gets interrupted for any reason (bugs, power sags, a defective Supercharger, etc.), then as soon as charging is restored, it resets the limit back to 80% again. I've had this happen to me before at least once, and I think twice. Fortunately, I noticed it just before idle fees would have started accruing, but I was seriously angry when it happened.Been there, done that. You can reset the limit back to 100% after it gives you the warning and it’ll stick.
Regarding what constitutes a "contract", I think a lot of people don't understand how broad the formats of contracts can be. People seem to be insisting if there wasn't a hardcopy printed paper with words on the top that says: "THIS IS A CONTRACT", then it's not. But that's not how contract law works; it's not that narrow. There can be verbal contracts, without any writing at all. In this case, the contract consisted of the offer, published by Tesla on their website, that purchase of ______ includes ______. That is a contract offering. And people seeing that offer and making the purchase is the acceptance/agreement to that contract.People just pulling sh** out of their asses. Tesla didn't "go in to a contract" with that person to provide free supercharging, like you said, we want to see this contract.
The supercharger where this happened has signs posted on each space allowing 30 minutes general parking. Does that seem like a disconnect?
The car tells you how long it will take to charge when you plug it in. Ignoring that and letting the car sit because you're busy eating at the restaurant or whatever is ON YOU. Too many people I've seen charging are all upset because the car was done and they actually had to leave the restaurant to move the car, when it has already told you, "I'll be ready in 25 minutes". Cry me a river. But move your car first. Some of us are needing to charge and head on down the road.
I don't think they are confusing what the fees are for in the law suit. I think the issue is that if you don't pay your idle fees they turn off your Supercharging access. Which prevents you from using your free unlimited Supercharging. Is that Ok? That seems iffy to me.I didn't know there is a law suit going on about the idle fees, claiming that it violates the free for life Supercharging. That's ludicrous (pun obviously intended). Once you have stopped charging, YOU'RE NOT SUPERCHARGING. So the fees are not for Supercharging.
They can certainly charge you idle/parking fees, but what options do they have to encourage you to pay them? For example, I don't think they could deny warranty service.
Well said. I managed a healthcare procurement department for many years and have studied contract law extensively.Regarding what constitutes a "contract", I think a lot of people don't understand how broad the formats of contracts can be. People seem to be insisting if there wasn't a hardcopy printed paper with words on the top that says: "THIS IS A CONTRACT", then it's not. But that's not how contract law works; it's not that narrow. There can be verbal contracts, without any writing at all. In this case, the contract consisted of the offer, published by Tesla on their website, that purchase of ______ includes ______. That is a contract offering. And people seeing that offer and making the purchase is the acceptance/agreement to that contract.
All the details related to that, with the exact parameters about the extent or inclusions and exclusions, etc. of contracts are why there are a lot of lawyers in a lot of cases every year to debate those things. So yes, sure there is going to be argument of what's involved here, but a contract certainly does exist in form of an offer and acceptance by purchasing.
Seems reasonable to me...Tesla has instituted a 80% max for people at busy chargers. This is intended to keep people from hoging all the spots, for extended times, just to get that last bit of juice.
Hard to justify one person sitting an extra 20 minutes to get that last couple %, while a guy, with his family, wait in a line to get some juice to get them home.
I know people pride themselves on doing the 100% work around, but that just makes the experience so much worse for people waiting in line.
It depends on just how busy the station is. If it is very busy the limit changes. Also, you receive notifications on your phone so it’s not like you can not know. And before someone tries the lame “I turned off notifications/I don’t keep my phone on” excuse, that is your decision and your decision has consequences. grow up.That’s why they set it to 80% and state that if you need the extra juice, you may change it to whatever you need it to be. To go back and reset after you moved it back above that Is a disservice.
It depends on just how busy the station is. If it is very busy the limit changes. Also, you receive notifications on your phone so it’s not like you can not know. And before someone tries the lame “I turned off notifications/I don’t keep my phone on” excuse, that is your decision and your decision has consequences. grow up.
I've not received notifications from the Tesla app while charging at the Mountain View, CA supercharger, one block away from Google's headquarters. Don't pretend notifications are reliable. They aren't. In fact, I've had problems with not getting charge notifications even while sitting inside my car at multiple superchargers in multiple states.
The rule should be that once the car says it will be supercharging for some number of minutes, you have that many minutes, and idle fees will not be charged prior to that time no matter what happens, whether the limit changes, the car randomly stops charging because of some car-side or station-side fault, or any other issue, because you have to assume that notifications will not be delivered reliably.