James Anders
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The whole idea behind the placement of the chargers is that you can go get something to eat or do some shopping. In many locales there's quite a distance one would have to walk. 15 minutes is a reasonable amount of time.
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No way. And the fee should be higher, it is too low.
I have sat waiting for inconsiderate Tesla drivers to come back and move their cars while there is a line. I have never not been there at the moment my car finished charging. The point of Supercharging isn't your dinner, your shopping, your overnight sleeping, nor your movie or whatever. The point is the fastest charge and move on so someone else can get the fastest charge.
I saw on Reddit and here that some people are worried about overnight hotel stays. The point I have been trying to make is that L3 DC is about charging now and charging fast. If you have 8 hours, charging should be slow... L2 AC. For Superchargers near or at hotels, they should still have J1772 or HPWC for overnight guests.
mspohr
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If you start back to the car when you get the charging almost complete message then you'll have at least 15 minutes
hingisfan
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System is fine, but waive the fee if there are at least 1 (or 2) stalls open. If Tesla can't see that well enough to integrate it into the app, then the owner takes their chances, but the owner would have a pretty good idea of how busy that supercharger is anyway. Problem solved?
Most people I know do just that. In fact, so do I. When I am in a restaurant and the message arrives, I leave, move my car and then return. On occasion that is a trifle inconvenient. Not often because if one watches the time one always knows. The times are not surprises.
When in areas that have metered parking people commonly leave to "feed the meter" then return. How is this different? Oh, yes, it is different because other people might not be able to charge if we don't move our charged cars.
To object to this requires a certain amount of egotism does it not?
Brass Guy
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I do have a Android phone, but I don't have service with it and use it like a pocket computer. I did once get a notification that my car was almost done, then done. I got them after I got home.
CuriousG
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mspohr
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That introduces complexity and uncertainty. Don't confuse people.
patyoungsc
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You certainly have an idea, but there have been plenty of times that it finishes 10 or more minutes earlier or later than the original estimate. So now if you want to grab something to eat you also have to be constantly checking your phone on charge status so that you can jump up in the middle of your meal and take a 5-20 minute walk to unplug your car even though it is sitting at a completely empty charging station. This policy is short on common sense.
Fully agree. This should only be enforced if all stalls are full. Plus I think 15mins is more reasonable for the many reasons you have given. I have 2 kids, 10 and 12yrs old and if i ran out halfway through dinner the manager would think 1) I am abandoning my kids or 2) I am running out without paying
I found this an interesting read on another thread. Pardon if has already been posted.
It is a study of behavior when a charge is introduced as a penalty for 'overuse' of a service:
http://rady.ucsd.edu/faculty/directory/gneezy/pub/docs/fine.pdf
It is a study of behavior when a charge is introduced as a penalty for 'overuse' of a service:
http://rady.ucsd.edu/faculty/directory/gneezy/pub/docs/fine.pdf
B8BB8B
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I feel people need to plan a little bit better, if you are charging your vehicle plan your meal around that. 30 minutes to charge means you don't go to a place where the meal will take 45 - 1 hour .... it's a fairly simple concept - people here need to lower their levels of entitlement.
Obviously there was a problem and Tesla has found a solution.
Obviously there was a problem and Tesla has found a solution.
CuriousG
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I wonder how this affects service centers. When I was there last week to pick up my car, they told me it was ready and charged at the SuperCharger. They either have to retrain their employees to move the cars or owners will incur surcharges, or make accommodations when car is in service.
The immediate enforcement of this policy is surprising given that a majority of SuperChargers are underutilized. This is perhaps to get people into the habit of disconnecting immediately. It would be nice to see if charges are actually incurred for very low use SuperChargers. Volunteers? Given how this his already gone into effect, can anyone give insight if this has affected the busiest SuperChargers?
The immediate enforcement of this policy is surprising given that a majority of SuperChargers are underutilized. This is perhaps to get people into the habit of disconnecting immediately. It would be nice to see if charges are actually incurred for very low use SuperChargers. Volunteers? Given how this his already gone into effect, can anyone give insight if this has affected the busiest SuperChargers?
Elon MuskVerified account@elonmusk@TeslaMotors We are going to modify this so that people only pay a fee if most bays are occupied. If the site is basically deserted, no problem to park.
Hmmmm
Well we were promised a solution.
Plus, it came within days rather than months, which for those of us familiar with Tesla-time is kinda shocking
Not sure if it's the optimum solution but at least it should help to pay for future maintenance/installation.
Well we were promised a solution.
Plus, it came within days rather than months, which for those of us familiar with Tesla-time is kinda shocking
Not sure if it's the optimum solution but at least it should help to pay for future maintenance/installation.
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