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Ioniq 5 vs Model Y
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yeah i see that.. but all i care about is efficiency / range ... who cares if the EPA has a screwy formula?
yeah.. exactly.. doesnt the EPA test them all the same? so if you drive at 55 you'll get the EPA range, right? and the tesla still does better in real world range too
Yeah it’ll be interesting to see what the details look like when they dig into it. But it has an 800v system, bi directional charging, ac seats, car play, shade for the sunroof built in, actual blind spot monitoring, etc etc.
It’s much better equipped than the Y for sure and I would definitely consider one. A downside is I believe it doesn’t have a heat pump, only the EV6 does. I think the styling was knocked out of the park. I think some of the storage space deficit is due to the smaller size. Make it the same size as a Y and they would probably be equal.
From what I see, Tesla is super efficient in terms of miles / kwh but it doesn't get anywhere near their stated range in real world testing.
I feel like we're have separate conversations.
Go here:
Model Y | Tesla
Model Y is a fully electric, mid-size SUV with unparalleled protection and versatile cargo space.
Look for yourself what Tesla claims the range of MYLR / MYP are. Those are based on EPA figures. Now look at the 3 sample "real world" range tests people have done, admittedly under non-controlled circumstances. Compare the % over / under range, relative to the other manufacturers who also have similar range claims. At this point we will be having the same conversation.
yeah Tesla publishes the EPA range on their website.. but it's not like a unique test for tesla cars? is it their fault they perform so well on the EPA test but not at 75 mph? the faster you go the more the square of the drag will bring u down.. so it makes sense the most efficient vehicles will suffer when going highway speeds (and the most percentage wise)... yet they are still the most efficient.. i dont see that as a "knock" on TeslaI feel like we're have separate conversations.
Go here:
Model Y | Tesla
Model Y is a fully electric, mid-size SUV with unparalleled protection and versatile cargo space.www.tesla.com
Look for yourself what Tesla claims the range of MYLR / MYP are. Those are based on EPA figures. Now look at the 3 sample "real world" range tests people have done, admittedly under non-controlled circumstances. Compare the % over / under range, relative to the other manufacturers who also have similar range claims. At this point we will be having the same conversation.
take super inefficient 12mpg type vehicles.. they get 12mpg at 50 mph and get basically 12mpg at 80 mph... is that something to be applauded?
gx9901
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Wait, you can't test drive an Ionic 5 unless you agree to buy one at a markup? So what would be the point of a test drive in this scenario?
Anyway, I think the Ionic 5 look good and seems to be well equipped. I do think some aspects of the exterior seem over-designed in pictures and videos, but maybe it's better in person. I'd love to test drive one someday. Seems like a real legit competitor in the EV market for sure.
Anything other than Tesla is a complete failure without a charging network. I wouldn’t be caught dead driving a Kia or a Hyundai! POS company.
Mr. Wonderful
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that is true. he asked me if I want to pay 5k markup, I said NO to be honest, he then refused to let me test drive. LOL , I can not believe it as well.
Last time then I'll put the bone down since it seems you asked a question for which there is no acceptable or decipherable answer from your perspective.
The way I view these postings is they reflect real world usage vs. "contrived, artificial, under highly controlled variables" range. I don't drive my vehicles at sea level, when it's 70f out, on a flat track, at 50mph steady speeds. Therefore these mixed condition tests in particular are very interesting, especially when some manufacturers state LOWER range than users are observing under real world conditions. That last part was my point. Tesla are saying 3xx, but nobody is getting close to this whereas some manufacturers must be understating their range, measurable when people are testing under non-controlled conditions, and getting greater than manufacturer stated.
Both vehicles have more than sufficient practical range for me personally so it's moot point.
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EVs generally do the worst at sea level
I wouldn't say nobody got the stated Tesla range as the EPA got exactly that range
Another in depth review of Ioniq 5, it's a very nice car but seems to confirm that it's more comparable to M3. The back seats and leg areas just don't look that comfortable.
www.carexpert.com.au
2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 review
This is a Hyundai you won't miss on the road. The Ioniq 5 is all-new and sits on a dedicated EV platform. Could it be the EV that gets you across the line?
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A typical long-term test by a publication like Edmunds, C&D, etc is 40k miles. So if the test car was a long-term tester it would have something between 0-40,000 miles on it.
That’s not much mileage at all in the grand scheme of things. Are you saying that that explains the range “loss”?
This will be helpful for understanding the differences. Yes Tesla's are efficient, but their stated ranges routinely do not meet the real world results and their delta is typically larger than other manufacturers for the reasons stated in the article:
The Secret Adjustment Factor Tesla Uses to Get Its Big EPA Range Numbers
How Tesla puts distance between itself and the competition while still playing by the EPA's rules.
www.caranddriver.com
No. And, no, the EPA DOES NOT usually test most vehicles.
You can read thru The Truth About EPA City / Highway MPG Estimates - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver that was written way before modern BEVs. Testing at the National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory | US EPA even says
"Most testing is performed by auto manufacturers at their own facilities. EPA then audits the data and performs its own testing on some of the vehicles to confirm the manufacturers' results."
How Vehicles Are Tested says
"Fuel economy is measured under controlled conditions in a laboratory using a series of tests specified by federal law. Manufacturers test their own vehicles—usually pre-production prototypes—and report the results to EPA. EPA reviews the results and confirms about 15%–20% of them through their own tests at the National Vehicles and Fuel Emissions Laboratory."
Detailed Test Information has a high level overview of the test schedules and a link to what's done for EVs and PHEVs at https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/pdfs/EPA test procedure for EVs-PHEVs-11-14-2017.pdf.
And, Seminole posted about 2-cycles vs. 5-cycles in post #59.
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