That is all great until you add any option, and then it no longer qualifies.I think it’s a near certainty we’ll see a $54,999 5 seat variant of the Y within a few months.
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That is all great until you add any option, and then it no longer qualifies.I think it’s a near certainty we’ll see a $54,999 5 seat variant of the Y within a few months.
The list looks dumb and arbitrary. I hope a few automakers sue and win.
So does that mean upfront payment for FSD is excluded from the MSRP calculation? Since it's software and not "physically attached" to the vehicle. Every car gets the FSD computer, which is what's "physically attached" to the car.The MSRP for this purpose is the base retail price suggested by the manufacturer, plus the retail price suggested by the manufacturer for each accessory or item of optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery to the dealer. It does not include destination charges or optional items added by the dealer, or taxes and fees.
I think they knew. Otherwise they wouldn't have submitted YP7 for the list.I doubt we will ever know but I wonder how much Tesla knew in advance, like that the MSRP limit for the Y 5 seater would be 55k.
Looking at the list, it seems clear to me they are using some undoubtedly complicated formula to establish eligibility at the $80k level.
I suspect variables likely include things like passenger capacity, drivetrain configuration, ground clearance, towing capacity, cargo capacity, etc etc, and you have to check some number of the possible boxes to qualify.
Stabbing in the dark I’d guess the 7 seat MY qualifies as a “van” due to passenger capacity but the 5 seat MY variants and MME are somehow missing the mark for “SUV” for reasons TBD.
I agree, I think they knew a decent amount. I just don’t think we’ll ever know exactly how much.I think they knew. Otherwise they wouldn't have submitted YP7 for the list.
(b) An automobile capable of off-highway operation, as indicated by the fact that it:
(1)
(i) Has 4-wheel drive; or
(ii) Is rated at more than 6,000 pounds gross vehicle weight; and
(2) Has at least four of the following characteristics calculated when the automobile is at curb weight, on a level surface, with the front wheels parallel to the automobile's longitudinal centerline, and the tires inflated to the manufacturer's recommended pressure -
(i) Approach angle of not less than 28 degrees.
(ii) Breakover angle of not less than 14 degrees.
(iii) Departure angle of not less than 20 degrees.
(iv) Running clearance of not less than 20 centimeters.
(v) Front and rear axle clearances of not less than 18 centimeters each.
That just seems so cumbersome.Topic B — Frequently asked questions about income and price limitations for the New Clean Vehicle Credit | Internal Revenue Service
Frequently Asked Questions about income and price limitations for the new Clean Vehicle Credit.www.irs.gov
So does that mean upfront payment for FSD is excluded from the MSRP calculation? Since it's software and not "physically attached" to the vehicle. Every car gets the FSD computer, which is what's "physically attached" to the car.
While I think that is lame, at least it would show some logic.My guess is this is based on weight. The base Model Y is somewhere around 4420 lbs, and I would guess the 7-seat variant might be just over 4500 lbs (can't find the weight for the 7-seat specifically). Looking at others in the list:
"SUV":
Audi Q5 PHEV - 4619 lbs
Chrysler Pacifica PHEV Minivan - 5010
Jeep GC PHEV - 5325
Jeep Wrangler PHEV - 5100
Rivian R1S - 7068
Rivian R1T - 7148
VW ID.4 AWD - 4834
"Car":
Mustang Mach E - 4394
Nissan Leaf = 3516
Tesla Model 3 - 3648
Volvo S60 PHEV - 4424
VW ID.4 RWD - 4568
If 4500 lbs was the cutoff between the two, the only one that doesn't seem to fit is the ID.4 RWD, which from what I can find is slightly over 4500 and thus I would expect it to be in the SUV list. But, aside from that, the data seems to fit...
Maybe the cut off is 4575, haMy guess is this is based on weight. The base Model Y is somewhere around 4420 lbs, and I would guess the 7-seat variant might be just over 4500 lbs (can't find the weight for the 7-seat specifically). Looking at others in the list:
"SUV":
Audi Q5 PHEV - 4619 lbs
Chrysler Pacifica PHEV Minivan - 5010
Jeep GC PHEV - 5325
Jeep Wrangler PHEV - 5100
Rivian R1S - 7068
Rivian R1T - 7148
VW ID.4 AWD - 4834
"Car":
Mustang Mach E - 4394
Nissan Leaf = 3516
Tesla Model 3 - 3648
Volvo S60 PHEV - 4424
VW ID.4 RWD - 4568
If 4500 lbs was the cutoff between the two, the only one that doesn't seem to fit is the ID.4 RWD, which from what I can find is slightly over 4500 and thus I would expect it to be in the SUV list. But, aside from that, the data seems to fit...
I agree. However, given how popular SUV’s are in the US, if you can’t convince SUV owners to switch, and they will not switch to a sedan, EV adoption will never take off.IMO it’s ridiculous to have different MSRP limits for “cars” vs “SUVs”, particularly when the line between the two is murky and arbitrary. It’s also a perverse incentive to push people towards giant environmentally unfriendly cars (an 8,000 pound EV monstrosity is still a sustainability train wreck).